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    Default ORRU using greenflashing lights advice

    I'm trying to info on the use of green flashing lights on vehicles. I need to get something in place for our volunteer fire station to enable the guys to get to the call outs quickly with their personal cars. I know blue and red is not an option. Yesterday I saw a Orru members driving with green lights mounted on his car.

    Do the Orru guys get special permits for these? I'm not trying to get them in trouble but would like to get more detail on the use.

    If searched the net but there is not a lot of info available.

    Hope some of the Orru members can assist.

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    what about Orange

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    Nothing wrong with white flashing LEDs either. Strobe type.
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    Contact Trevor at this number, we use green lights for community patrols, there have been a few issues thet needed 'clearing up' but it is all good. He is very helpful and his advice will be sound, based on experience with SAPS/others and research.

    http://www.conservsecurity.com/NATIO...ENTCENTER.aspx

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    Reynard, the bottom line is that it's illegal to use them on a private vehicle. Period.

    Any unofficial/semi-officlal use is a reluctant special deal between your organisation and your provincial authorities. It's a huge legal nightmare because they are taking a risk by bending the rules.
    And even if you do get lights you are still not allowed to speed or go through red lights etc.
    Even a registered ambulance needs to "please explain" if they get bust for speeding etc.

    Your biggest headache is going to be to control your guys. Give a bloke a light and he drives like an A-hole. Guaranteed. There is no debate about that. And that is going to make enemies.

    Step one is to speak to your local authorities. They may accommodate but it's more likely that they are strongly against the idea.

    The proper route is to register your vehicle as an emergency vehicle and get a public drivers permit

    A lot of security companies are using white LED flashers these days to get around the legalities. You still have to drive responsibly though

    I don't know the details of Joburg ORRU's green light arrangement but I do know there is a LOT of issues to keep everybody happy and they have had to build up a massive amount of trust with the authorities who gave the nod to use the lights
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    Spike your info is so true.

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    Spike thanks for the reply, I didn't want to mention that its illegal to use these lights for a reason. I'm train ed fireman and rescuer and have done the driving courses etc. And yes, even a firetruck and ambulance is according to law not allowed to speed drive over a red robot etc. The lights and sirens are there to get the people to move out of the way.

    I was just thinking how are the guys from Orru able to use green lights? As far as I know, green lights are only to be used by the Military Police. This is according to my training manuals.

    Thanks for the reply now the hard work starts to get this ball on the roll.

    As mentioned above, the ORRU guys are doing a good job, I'm not trying to point fingers or anything negative.

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    Ja my negative plak is because we have struggled with this issue for years.
    We got tentative permission to use red lights in certain circumstances but then there were issues and it's been rescinded. Now it's a strict "no lights" policy.
    Anybody using lights here now does it in their personal capacity and must cover their own ass if they get confronted. I went the route of registering my vehicle for the purpose
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    Substitution of section 60 of Act 93 of 1996

    16. The following section is hereby substituted for section 60 of the principal Act:

    "Certain drivers may exceed general speed limit

    60. Notwithstanding the provisions of section 59, the driver of a
    fire-fighting vehicle, a fire-fighting response vehicle, a rescue vehicle,_ari30
    emergency medical response vehicle or an ambulance who drives such
    vehicle in the carrying out of his or her duties, a traffic officer or a person
    appointed in terms of the South African Police Service Act, 1995 (Act No.
    68 of 1995), who drives a vehicle in the carrying out of his or her duties or
    any person issued with the necessary authorisation and driving a vehicle35
    [while engaged in civil protection as contemplated in any ordinance
    made in terms of section 3 of the Civil Protection Act, 1977 (Act No. 67
    of 1977)], may exceed the applicable general speed limit: Provided that—
    (a) he or she shall drive the vehicle concerned with due regard to the
    safety of other traffic; and 40
    (b) in the case of any such fire-fighting vehicle, fire-fighting response
    vehicle, rescue vehicle, emergency medical response vehicle, ambu-
    lance or any vehicle driven by a person [while he or she is so engaged
    in civil protection,] issued with the necessary authorisation, such
    vehicle shall be fitted with a device capable of emitting a prescribed45
    sound and with an identification lamp, as prescribed, and such device
    shall be so sounded and such lamp shall be in operation while the
    vehicle is driven in excess of the applicable general speed limit.".






    National Road Traffic Act, 1996
    National Road Traffic Regulations, 1999
    Chapter VI : Fitness of Vehicles
    Part II : Equipment on or in respect of vehicles
    176. Identification lamps




    1) A bus or a goods vehicle, the gross vehicle mass of which exceeds 3 500 kilograms, and which is not a motor vehicle referred to in subregulation (2), (3) or (5), may be fitted above the windscreen with two or more identification lamps and each such lamp shall –
    a) not exceed a capacity of 21 Watts;
    b) be visible from directly in front of the motor vehicle to which it is fitted; and
    c) emit a green or amber light.
    2) An ambulance, fire-fighting or rescue vehicle may be fitted with a lamp or lamps emitting an intermittently-flashing red light in any direction.
    3)
    a) Subject to paragraph (b), no person shall operate a motor vehicle fitted with, or in or on which is displayed, a lamp or lamps emitting a blue light or capable of emitting a blue light.
    b) The provisions of paragraph (a) does not apply to a motor vehicle operated by a member of the Service or a member of a municipal police service, both as defined in section 1 of the South African Police Service Act, 1995 (Act No. 68 of 1995), or a traffic officer, or a member of the South African Defence Force authorised in terms of section 87(1)(g) of the Defence Act, 1957 (Act No. 44 of 1957) to perform police functions, in the execution of his or her duties.
    c) A motor vehicle referred to in paragraph (b) may be fitted with a lamp or lamps emitting an intermittently-flashing –
    i) blue light;
    ii) blue and amber light;
    iii) blue and red light; or
    iv) blue, amber and red light,
    in any direction which may, at the will of the driver, display the word "stop".
    4) A motor vehicle which is –
    a) a vehicle employed in connection with the maintenance of public road;
    b) engaged in the distribution and supply of electricity;
    c) engaged in the supply of other essential public services;
    d) operated in terms of the authority granted by the MEC in terms of section 81 of the Act;
    e) a breakdown vehicle;
    f) a refuse compactor vehicle;
    g) a vehicle carrying an abnormal load and the vehicle escorting it if any,

    may, but a breakdown vehicle shall, be fitted with a lamp or lamps capable of emitting an intermittently-flashing amber light in any direction: Provided that such lamp shall only be used at the place where the breakdown occurred, where the maintenance or other work or an inspection is being carried out, when such breakdown vehicle is towing a motor vehicle, or in the event of a vehicle carrying an abnormal load.
    5) A motor vehicle used by a medical practitioner may be fitted above the windscreen with one lamp emitting an intermittently flashing red light in any direction: Provided that such light may only be used by such medical practitioner in the bona fide exercise of his or her profession.
    6) A vehicle driven by a person while he or she is engaged in civil protection as contemplated in section 3 of the Civil Protection Act, 1977 (Act No. 67 of 1977), may be fitted with a lamp or lamps emitting an intermittently-flashing green light in any direction.




    See last point regarding GREEN lights

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    We had a bad incident on Saterday and had to travel about 100km to get to the scene. Most of the guys in their own cars as the truck and equipment was already enroute. I was just thinking that this could be the easy way of getting fix. Luckily no one died was very very lucky and our time was not to bad. took us an hour to get onscen could have been 35 to 45min with lights.

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    The Off Road Rescue Units in Gauteng and Mpumulanga are registered with Disaster Management and authorised to use green lights only when on official business.
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    If i was a light guy ,the flashing light that i would go for is the orange one.
    This colour has enormous benefits. I will explain.
    You can drive how you like, on pavements, reverse over lawns, go through robots, block a road off , speed and wheelspin , to say a few things.
    This all in front of law enforcement officers.
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    Hahaha, also like the orange light Ian. Closed the N12 in Alberton for 4 hours once while blasting that cutting across Reading Country Club That is true power from the orange light: To bring JHB traffic to a complete standstill. And this for a 'plattelandse oukie' is very lekker!!!
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