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    Hi All. At the moment I drive a 2006 Audi A4 1.8T with 80000km on the clock that has just come out of it's service plan. For a long time now I have wanted to do some off-roading. I am interested in getting rid of the Audi and buying a 4X4 of some sorts. At first, I would like to do trips like Kgalagadi, Mozambique, Botswana, etc. Probably not hectic 4x4 routes to start. We went up the Matroosberg near Ceres in a Isuzu Frontier and although the route was extremely tough (it seemed so to me anyway), this vehicle managed it with ease. I'm not sure how the Matroosberg rates with you guys who are proper 4x4 enthusiasts?

    My problem is, what to buy? I am interested in something not older than 2006, diesel, with 100000 - 120000km on the clock. I don't want anything too big. The Jeep Cherokee seems a nice size and the pre-owned prices are good. My friend has a 2006 SWB diesel auto Pajero and loves it. Up to now no major mechanical problems and a real work horse. They are a bit difficult to come by reasonably priced in Cape Town and only being 2 doors, a bit difficult to transport my 79 year old mother in and also tiny boot. My concern about buying the Jeep is that I have heard a few negative comments from a few people. They do tend to develop problems and are pricey to fix. Also, ground clearance is an issue and the ride is rigid. Some people say not the most competent off-roader, radiator and water pump weakness that can cost R20000.00 to fix. Not good for axle twisting rides as "things" tend to break.

    PLEASE can I get some opinions from you guys. Isuzu don't make the Frontier anymore and also it may be a bit too big. LWB Mitsubishi Pajero and Toyota Fortuner is extremely capable and reliable but too big and a bit pricey. Land Rover Defender, 4 door may be too big and too expensive. SWB, brilliant, but pricey and then I'm back to the 2 door problem. Terios and RAV4 are not proper full 4x4 vehicles, so I don't know how good and effective they are off road. Mitsubishi Triton looks cool and has the right pedigree, but I'm not sure I want a "bakkie". Same with the Isuzu KB, Toyota Hilux and Nissan. Pathfinder, Prado etc. too expensive and also too big.

    So I need to decide if I can live with the 2 doors of the SWB Pajero if I can find one that is nicely priced with low mileage. There seem to be loads of Jeep Cherokee's around that are well priced with low mileage. I hope that is not because they start developing major problems after 100000km. What's the opinions out there about this vehicle?
    Is it advisable to purchase a 2006, 2.8CRD Jeep Cherokee, with about 120000km? Also, some people are saying stay away from the auto gearbox. So should I rather hang on for a manual? They just seem very hard to find. Also, what should I look out for when buying?
    Is there anything about the Jeep brand I should know? Are they problematic, unrealiable, expensive to maintain? I'm hesitant to believe all this because I see enough of them on the road. I just don't know anybody who has one and can give me first hand advice. That's why I am asking you guys who have first hand experience.

    I would greatly appreciate any advice and feedback.

    Thanks

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    Hi Snoopy - Every second week finds someone on the forum with the same questions about the Jeep Cherokee as you. Do a search for Jeep Cherokee, there is plenty of info on this forum. The Cherokee is also referred to as the KJ or Liberty in the US market.

    Have a look here for everything about the Jeep Cherokee (Liberty/KJ) in the US. www.jeepkj.com

    Members here have tonns of knowledge and should be able to answer any questions you might have.

    KJ is a little low for serious off roading, 3.7l is bullet proof although the 2.8crd has 400nm on tap out of the box, which is a fair amount of torque ;-) 4x4 is very capable although the independent suspension does make it feel a little loose at times. Handling and comfortability is really good while it`s a good family car too and tows just about anything you can throw at it.

    As with any vehicle, maintenance is key especially if you`re buying second hand with more than 100k on the clock. Once purchased, make sure you have another 5k spare to do an entire lube service, transmission, diff, transfer case, engine oil and filter changes. Never know when these were done last. Drive the car up to 120kmph listen for noises, drive it through the entire Select Trac shift, listen for noises.

    Also, don't buy it if you`re looking for a fuel economic vehicle, no Jeep is ;-)

    You`ll enjoy it!!!!
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    Hi GeeTee. Thanks for your advice.

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    I have a 2005 2.8 crd Sport with 6 speed manual gearbox and am happy with performance and diesel consumption. Consumption all depends on how heavy your foot is. I get approx 8.5 l/100 km on the open road and 10 -12 l/100km normal driving. I did over 6000 km from Gauteng to Namibia and back towing a heavy loaded Venter trailer and got an overall consumption of 9.3 l/100 km. Like GeeTee mentioned, do a full lube service and you will have peace of mind. Happy searching, Leon.

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    Firstly, let me put your mind at ease with regard to running costs, parts availability/cost, etc. Jeeps are no more expensive than any other brand to maintain. These stories are usually told by people that has never been in a Jeep, let alone own one. The stealers ARE useless in most instances, but that is true of just about any brand and there are lots of independent workshops out there that specialises in Jeeps at reasonable rates.

    As far as your worries regarding the auto box is concerned, once again an unwarranted perception. A well maintained auto box will last as long as the car. A clutch replacement on a modern manual gearbox costs nearly as much as a complete auto gearbox overhaul, these days. An auto box is a dream to drive off road and most people will admit it once they have done some serious off road driving with an automatic.

    The KJ Cherokee suffers a little off road in standard form, due to ground clearance, but this can be very effectively overcome by fitting a relatively moderate suspension lift and slightly bigger tyres.

    DIESEL is another story, IMHO - as a stingy bastard and a poor white to boot, I am terrified of the cost of repairs should anything go wrong. A well maintained diesel will give you great service, but my concern is with second hand vehicles you never know if the previous owner stuck to the proper service schedule and treated the vehicle correctly. A petrol engine is a lot more forgiving and cheaper to repair. This is not applicable to Jeeps only, but to any brand.

    Just do it - Once you have moved over to dark side, you will never look back.

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    There is a reason why there are so many 2nd hand jeeps available........

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloues View Post
    There is a reason why there are so many 2nd hand jeeps available........
    And in your opinion that would be ?

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    You could look at a Suzuki Grand Vitara but its a petrol only.
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    @Thys....don't feed the troll. He only has 22 posts, so the brand fanaticism hasn't worn off yet.......I'm guessing Toyota

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJ Junkie View Post
    @Thys....don't feed the troll. He only has 22 posts, so the brand fanaticism hasn't worn off yet.......I'm guessing Toyota
    4x2 with difflock model..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    4x2 with difflock model..
    Probably

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    Quote Originally Posted by bloues View Post
    There is a reason why there are so many 2nd hand jeeps available........
    Yes there is ...... they were traded in for a new Jeep!!
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    I'll say this as someone about to get a Jeep, so its got nothing to do with brand loyalty etc......

    I've seen 2 occassions around my group of friends where they have traded in their 2.8 Cherokees (180,000 km and 200,000km on the clock each) as it was costing way too much to maintain. The one runs a bushcamp and spends a lot of time offroad and the other hardly ever went offroad, maybe a gravel road now and again.

    Fact is when you get to higher mileages you are going to need to do replacements and fixes. If you're not mechanically minded and insist on going to the dealerships then take my advice and don't get one. If you know some thing about vehicles, and don't mind taking it to independent places for its fixes and things, then no, it probably won't cost you any/much/significantly more than any other vehicle.

    That's just my hypothetical opinion
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    Quote Originally Posted by bloues View Post
    There is a reason why there are so many 2nd hand jeeps available........
    There are way more used Toyota Hilux bakkies for sale than Jeeps...wonder why that is then

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    Fact is when you get to higher mileages you are going to need to do replacements and fixes. If you're not mechanically minded and insist on going to the dealerships then take my advice and don't get one. If you know some thing about vehicles, and don't mind taking it to independent places for its fixes and things, then no, it probably won't cost you any/much/significantly more than any other vehicle.
    This is an important point, if you are fairly handy and can use Google then you can do ALOT of repairs/improvements yourself.

    CRD engines are fairly reliable in the KJ, no major issues, ride quality is excellent IMHO. The torque converters can be troublesome, as can the electric windows. All can be replaced by improved after market parts. Fluids are important and everything must be original Mopar.

    If you do buy one I always advise keeping R30 000 to fix any potential issues that may arise (probably won't, but its a mental thing) - my opinion is that the Jeep is still a bargain with this safety net included.

    Alternatively what about a 4.7L WJ Grand Cherokee?
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    Or if you're looking at diesels the 2.7 WJ too.
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    Thanks guys!! Amazing feedback.

    So, in your opinions, which would you go for and why? 2007 3.7 LTD V6, 89000km 6 speed manual or 2007 2.8CRD Sport auto gearbox 101000km?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy4x4 View Post
    Thanks guys!! Amazing feedback.
    So, in your opinions, which would you go for and why? 2007 3.7 LTD V6, 89000km 6 speed manual or 2007 2.8CRD Sport auto gearbox 101000km?
    2007 3.7 LTD V6

    Reasons: great motor, performance & fun 8)

    Regarding the CRD, is it the 110k service that's very expensive?

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    For the reasons mentioned earlier, regarding 2nd hand diesels, I'd go for the 3.7. XJ Junkie's reasons are just as valid

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    Regarding the CRD, is it the 110k service that's very expensive?
    Timing belt at 160 000km is the bad one
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