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Old 22-06-11, 01:16 PM
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Hi all you Mitsubishi fans,

I might soon be in the market for a Pajero but need your help.

I am looking for a Gen 2 model.

Due to the age and high milage of the models I am looking at I don't want to buy diesel. Thinking petrol would be a safer option. Unless I've got it wrong.

So I'm considering a 3.5 LWB. Apprently the SOHC is better and simpler to work on than the DOHC. Not sure if you get 3.5 SOHC models in SA. I know the 3.0 are but for about the same consumption it might be better to go for the 3.5.

Should I be scared to buy something with over 200K on the clock.
It is just that they go for really cheap which means I will have some in the bank in the event of a breakdown.

I saw a 2.8TDi with difflock. Does all the Gen 2 have difflock?

Your input on my above statements and other comments please?

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Personally I would go for a petrol model. No, not all models come with the diff-lock. You do get a 24V DOHC 3L (130kw), it is a bit of a pain to work on (you have to remove the intake to change plugs etc unless you have a special tool, same on the 3.5 models) and scarce. Most of the 3L are the 12V SOHC model (104kw), which are great engines. You get the 3.5 GDI DOHC but it is not much loved (even though it has around 170 odd kw) due to high maintenance costs. You do as mentioned get the 3.5 SOHC, but most are the 3.5DOHC(150kw).My first choice would be (and was) a 3L SOHC, followed by a 3.5 SOHC and then the 3.5 DOHC (non-GDI)


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then you get the Pajero Evo which has the 3.5 MIVEC DOHC which gives you about 195kw, yes, I WANT ONE!

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For what it's worth, you can get reconditioned diesel Pajero/Colt engines with 50.000km guarantee for around R25000. If you want to go the diesel way.

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My first choice would be (and was) a 3L SOHC, followed by a 3.5 SOHC and then the 3.5 DOHC (non-GDI)
Thanks for that - but are the 3L not a bit flou? I mean 104kw is nothing to write home about. Scared that moving from my current 132kw 245nm to that would be down-sizing too much. How do the 3L tow?

Did the difflock appear in certain year models then or models?

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Pierre,

I assume you are looking at a LWB.
The most commonly found Gen2 Pajeros are the following:

All diesels have the 2.8tdi motor. Very renown for cracking heads in the Colts, but very reliable and loved in the Pajeros.

The petrol motor before about 1996 is the 3.0V6 12valve. From 1996 - 1998 is the Gen2 3.5V6 twincam 24valve motors. From 1998 - 2000 is the Gen2.5 "Blister Fender" with the same 3.5V6 twincam motor.

As mentioned, the sparkplugs are hidden behind the manifold. BUT todays sparkplugs can last forever. My car is now 80 000km old and still on the original plugs. Those twincam motors also tend to have noisy lifters ("tappets"), but can mostly be cured with the correct engine oil.

Some models have difflock and some not. My '94 didn't and then the '98 had difflock, cruise control and the front seats had their own suspension.

All those Pajeros were wonderful cars and if you can find a nice one you will really enjoy the experience.

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Thanks for that and I will keep your notes on hand.

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Thanks for that - but are the 3L not a bit flou? I mean 104kw is nothing to write home about. Scared that moving from my current 132kw 245nm to that would be down-sizing too much. How do the 3L tow?

Did the difflock appear in certain year models then or models?
Difflock was certain models. The 3L is no race car, but doesnt feel as lazy as you would think. I went for the 3L as I wanted something I can work on myself if need be (I often go to remote places). I have the SWB, so it does feel a bit more lively than the LWB, also mine is not standard.

Honestly can not answer question regarding the towing as I have only ever towed with mine and also only after doing the mods. I have towed 9m trailers with a bakkie on and no probs.

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Pierre,

Not sure where you plan to draw the line as far as price goes, but if you can squeeze in a Gen3 3.2DiD you will not be sorry.

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Funny you should mention that. There is a nice one on Gumtree for R125K but it is a private sale which means I will have to hope it is still there by the time I get to sell my X-trail...
Also saw a 2.8D "import spec" with only 133K on the clock selling for 89K. Not sure what to think about it.

Also - a 3L I went to look at last week had crawler gears as standard. Is that a good thing?

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Standard with Crawler gears? Never heard of that. Manual or Auto?

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Auto.

I said it is "standard" because it sure did not look like an aftermarket product.
On the small gear lever there were about 6 options (very confusing) with stuff like:
2Lc ,4Lc, etc. Can't remeber all the options.
The Seller told me the little 'c' stands for crawler gears.

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Auto.

I said it is "standard" because it sure did not look like an aftermarket product.
On the small gear lever there were about 6 options (very confusing) with stuff like:
2Lc ,4Lc, etc. Can't remeber all the options.
The Seller told me the little 'c' stands for crawler gears.
Ok, makes sense, the seller is a nut.

Not crawler gears. 4 options. 2H, 4H, 4hlc, 4llc

2h - 2 wheel drive
4h - all wheel drive
4hlc - 4 wheel drive high range with central diff locked
4llc - 4 wheel drive low range with central diff locked

check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Select and http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/cor...nce/e/4wd.html

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Auto.

I said it is "standard" because it sure did not look like an aftermarket product.
On the small gear lever there were about 6 options (very confusing) with stuff like:
2Lc ,4Lc, etc. Can't remeber all the options.
The Seller told me the little 'c' stands for crawler gears.
The "c" must be read in conjunction wit the "L", i.e. Lc = Meaning "locked".

2H = 2wd high range
4H = 4WD high range, centre diff open
4HLc = 4 WD, high range, centre diff locked
N= Neutral
4LLc = 4 WD, low range, centre diff locked

Crawler gears does not exist in normal Mitsu-language.

OK, AAA beat me to it!

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Hahaha - silly me. I was used to my old Rangie which had a viscous coupling for the centre diff so it would be permanent 4x4. So my little lever never had any 'c' on them. Only L and H range. Plain & simple.

Still sure there were more than 4 option but I could be wrong on that too

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Just to clarify in case of confusion. ALL Pajero's came out with Centre Diff Lock. The REAR Diff Lock were only fitted to certain models and the Gen2 (not the Gen2.5) was not among them in SA (they were fitted with LSD). In fact the hunt for a Gen2.5 rear axle is a common pastime with Gen2 owners.

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say 85 for a Gen2 and 120 for a Gen3

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say 85 for a Gen2 and 120 for a Gen3
Take your time a look around.
I found a Gen3 3.2DiD 2001 Manual for R119000 6 months ago

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Pierre,

Your secret is out. You have been seen on the Toyota site looking at Prados.

Relax, anybody that is in the Pajero category market and doesn't consider a Prado isn't doing his homework.

You have already been advised to stay away from the Kzte diesel motor - good advice. I was driving a 3.0 V6 Pajero Gen2, when the first Prados hit the showroom floor. I had a look and the salesman was embarrased when I showed him how blatantly Toyota copied the Pajero. The Gen3 Pajero took a major step forward with body (going away from a ladder frame chassis)and bringing in independent suspension all-round. The class leading 3.2DiD at the time has now progressed to becoming known as the most reliable turbo diesel to be found in a SUV.

The 3.4V6 Prado 90 is a VERY good car.
You will find that the Toyota badge is a VERY expensive badge.
Follow your heart and common sense (and wallet) and please keep us posted. The Pajero guys are not brand bashers - we don't have to be. We have quietly arrived at where we are comfortable in our knowledge that the rest are trying to catch up with us.

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Hi Roelf, no problem
Hosestly - I am a Land Rover fan - lots of character but not reliable as a everyday car
In the same way I am not a Toyota fan, but I have to think with my head and not my heart.
Having said all that - I went to test drive a Pajero 3.5 yesterday - very powerful indeed but the condition inside and outside was not that nice.
This morning I went to test 3 cars: 2 X Prados (both 3.4 V6) - good built quality, but gosh they are sluggish! Must be the big body. And they told me the Diesel is underpowered!!
Anyway - sure I will get used to it.
3rd one was a 3.2DiD with 290K on the clock. Nice, but lots of things that can potencially go wrong. I didn't like it. Just too fancy.
Thing is - I am really looking for an old 3.5 Pajero but they hard to come by in Durban area and the few I saw so far looks shot.
I might have to go to JHB to get one, but that is also a mission...

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Patience, the right one will cross your path...

I searched 2 years for mine, and found it in Bloemfontein!

Then you will enjoy the vehicle like we do. Here was on top of Black Mountains pass some time ago, with snowballs inbetween!
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I'm replacing my everyday vehicle so 2 years would be a bit long...
But sure the right one is out there thanks

PS: Snow pics looks lekke

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There is a full house Gen 2,5 (diff lock/ speed cruise etc) going for R88K on Gumtree at the moment, looks very good. There is a 95 Gen 2 going in George in really good condition for R60 as well. Private sale by a Forum member, I might even give it a 4th thought.

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The V6 3000 LWB that is still on my short list due to it's low milage (only 149K) is confusing me a bit.
What is the correct spec on it (kw and nM) or is it too hard to tell without the engine number? All I know is that it is a 1994 model.

Also not sure if it had a difflock as it was the first Pajero I went to look at and I was focused on the bigger picture not all detail
I might go and look at it again.

Can anyone shed some light?

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I put a model info sticky at the head if the Mitsubishi section. It will have the engine specs there.

The 94 model will not have had a rear axle difflock fitted but will have LSD

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Hi guys,
I'm still shopping for the right Pajero. Not looking at other makes anymore

I can find a nice one in PTA and 2 in CT that I like (CT = long drive back!!)
The one top of my list has 205K on the clock and looks very nice but the guy says it uses about a pint of oil every 1000km but it doesn't leak or smoke. (1995 selling for R68K with new BFGs).
Should I scrap it off my list?
The 2nd on my list is also in CT. 230K on the clock going for R75K 1999 model (I actually don't like that shape but it has difflock) but the tyres are almost finished and some tappet noise.

Let me know what yu guys think about the oil issue and the tappet noise.

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Pierre, I see no mention of service history with any of vehicles mentioned in your thread so far. Without that you have no idea whether the milage is genuine, not if the inportant things like the cambelt has received the proper attention.
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eMails received from Sellers:

1999 with 230K on clock selling for 75K:
The vehicle has an extremely neat appearance.
The engine is excellent.
Gearbox extremely smooth.
Mechanically very good.
Sometimes there is a ticking lifter noise, but that is normal for these engines according to specialists. Dont need to worry they say.
Bodywork very good still.
Interior neat with MINOR wear on seats. Carpets perfect.
You will be able to drive to North Africa right now in this vehicle.
Tyres ok for now - about 10,000km left
Brakes excellent.
The vehicle comes with difflock.
Cambelt replaced at 200,000km

1995 with 205K on clock selling for 68K:
The car is 100% sound to do long distance driving, cambelt was
replaced on 200 000km as well as full major service. Only problem with
vehicle is that it uses a pint of oil per 1000km, but it does not
smoke. Mechanic recons it is normal for vehicle, but feel free to give
me a call for any other questions.

The driver seat leather is worn from climbing in and out of vehicle
and the passanger front seat has got a small tear. Further more the
car is in good condition.
New shocks and new tyres (BFG AT) at 200 000km

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I think 75K for the 1st one is a bit much since I will have to replace the tyres very soon. I like the looks of the one selling for R68K but the oil use is a concern.

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1999 with 230K on clock selling for 75K:
The vehicle has an extremely neat appearance.
The engine is excellent.
Gearbox extremely smooth.
Mechanically very good.
Sometimes there is a ticking lifter noise, but that is normal for these engines according to specialists. Dont need to worry they say.
Bodywork very good still.
Interior neat with MINOR wear on seats. Carpets perfect.
You will be able to drive to North Africa right now in this vehicle.
Tyres ok for now - about 10,000km left
Brakes excellent.
The vehicle comes with difflock.
Cambelt replaced at 200,000km

1995 with 205K on clock selling for 68K:
The car is 100% sound to do long distance driving, cambelt was
replaced on 200 000km as well as full major service. Only problem with
vehicle is that it uses a pint of oil per 1000km, but it does not
smoke. Mechanic recons it is normal for vehicle, but feel free to give
me a call for any other questions.

The driver seat leather is worn from climbing in and out of vehicle
and the passanger front seat has got a small tear. Further more the
car is in good condition.
New shocks and new tyres (BFG AT) at 200 000km

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I think 75K for the 1st one is a bit much since I will have to replace the tyres very soon. I like the looks of the one selling for R68K but the oil use is a concern.
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Pierre,

I owned both those models when they were younger.

My 3.0 also used some oil from pretty early on, but I'm convinced it isn't a common occurrence, but is also not necessarily a fatal problem.

I would take the 1999 EVERY time. The guys here will give you good advice on how to manage those ticking lifters. My 3.5 did the same and the use of good, expensive oil at the time fixed it just fine. You will also get almost 50kw extra from the 3.5 vs the 3.0.

Those cars still have the 15" rims and tyres shouldn't be too expensive.

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Roelf, both are 3.5 V6 engines

If I go for the Blister (and I like the difflock option) I will have to spend R8000 more to buy it (compared to R65K for the older one) and then another R10,000 to fit new tyres as the current ones are shot.
That means having to spend R18,000 more compared to the older model I mentioned above which has new BFGs.
That means R73K + R10K for tyres = R83K
Don't you guys think that is too much for a vechile with 230K on the clock and no real warrantees?
At 230K something is bound to go at some stage. While if I buy the one for R65K and something goes south I have the diffrence of R18,000 to play with.
Not sure if a difflock is worth that much...Confused

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One thing I forgot the mention. The Seller of the older model is willing to have a compression test done to hopefully proof the oil usage towards either the value stem seals or a possible oil rings.

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Roelf, both are 3.5 V6 engines

If I go for the Blister (and I like the difflock option) I will have to spend R8000 more to buy it (compared to R65K for the older one) and then another R10,000 to fit new tyres as the current ones are shot.
That means having to spend R18,000 more compared to the older model I mentioned above which has new BFGs.
That means R73K + R10K for tyres = R83K
Don't you guys think that is too much for a vechile with 230K on the clock and no real warrantees?
At 230K something is bound to go at some stage. While if I buy the one for R65K and something goes south I have the diffrence of R18,000 to play with.
Not sure if a difflock is worth that much...Confused
4 years in age? Rear difflock? Kw plenty extra. Blister Fender any day any time. If for towing as well Blister has the power as well. Speedocruise!!!! I have one and loves it.
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One last thing I might ask:
I spoke to the Seller of the cheap one just now about the oil use. He told me that the value stem seals were done along with the cam belt and major service between 5K and 10K ago.
For the first while the car used no oil at all and then it started again, so he took it back and was told that the value guides are shot and needs to be fixed. So he was upset as they should have noticed that when they did the stem seals.
Anyway - he is having the compression test done to make sure the oil use it not from the rings.
Any comment on this story - what would it cost to do the value guides it that is the problem then?

But I must say - you guys are starting to swing me
If I go for the Blister and fit new tyres I just hope nothing else goes for a long while...then I will be very happy indeed
Will sleep on this

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I am glad the Pajero's are being discussed again. I will be swoping my PO's Volvo S40 T5 in for a LWB 3.2DiD Gen3 Manual very soon. I have already informed her of this decision!

Can someone give more info on the 3.2DiD Gen3 please?

Pierre, you might want to re-concider the 3.2DiD Gen3!?



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Nope - I test drove one with 290K on the clock last week selling for R125K neg.
Very impressive but way to fancy for my liking

PS: Sure it is still on Gumtree in Durban area

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In my case FANCY = GOOD seeing that it will be my PO's car.

So, if it was not for the "fancy" part on the Gen3, would you have bought it??

I am looking for a 2003 with mileage closer to the 200k km or even less.

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I'm scared to buy a high milage diesel. Although the DiD is said to be one of the best diesel SUVs around. Fancy diesels could be costly to repair.

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I have a 95 3l and I am as happy as a pig in Palestine. The oil consumption seems to be the norm as I use about the same in mine. The 3.5 has more oomf higher up in the rev range which is ideal for overtaking and on the open road and the 3l has it lower down in the range. To cure the valve rattle is quite easy just add a pint of oil over the full mark on the dip stick and use a high quality oil.

If I could have one add on it would be to retrofit the 3.5 rear locker but they are as scarce as hen's teeth, otherwise they are much of a muchness. Personally I prefer my gen2 for my overlanding trips as I am of the old school and prefer a ladder chassis, it is just so much easier to hang rock sliders and all the other bits from that.

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I'm scared to buy a high milage diesel. Although the DiD is said to be one of the best diesel SUVs around. Fancy diesels could be costly to repair.
if you want to see high mileage see here >>> TOP GUNS

and the number one spot is >>>> a diesel GEN3
2001 Gen3 LWB 3.2 Diesel 658 000 658 000

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I am glad the Pajero's are being discussed again. I will be swoping my PO's Volvo S40 T5 in for a LWB 3.2DiD Gen3 Manual very soon. I have already informed her of this decision!

Can someone give more info on the 3.2DiD Gen3 please?

Pierre, you might want to re-concider the 3.2DiD Gen3!?



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Numbnut, depends on what info you want on the DiD?

have you looked at the Pajero forum? there is a huge amount of info on the DiD. and if you want to talk about the Manual have a chat with CATS as he has one and a lot more info and experience with the Manual DiD than me.

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No, I have not yet visited the Pajero sight. Will do that, thank you very much!

One difference I have noticed between A/T and M/T is that the auto has 9kw more, but 20Nm less than the manual.

I would basically just like to know what to look for and what spec and also old or new 3.2DiD engine, important information that relates directly to the Gen3. As I understand it, there where some changes done in 2003.

The reasons why I am looking at a 2003 Gen3 is that I can't afford a Gen4 and my PO will never drive a Gen2 purely due to it's box shape. I mean, I am selling her 2007 VOLVO S40 T5 with all the bells and whistles. It would just be fair to replace it with something that also has ABS, Airbags, Stability Control, Traction Control and so on and so on......! The only only reason for the change is boot space for coming baby's stuff! The Volvo has a deep boot, but the bloody opening into the boot is the problem!
Maybe I should mount a roof rack on the beast, wonder what would PO say about that!?!?

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Numbnuts,

The DiD went unchanges from inception in 2000 to 2007.

The Pajero specs changed over that period with two "land mark" changes.

2003 saw the "face lift". That is the one with the small round fog lights. Biggest change was the little info screen on the dash got bigger and better and the 6 disc CD loader.

Then in 2005-ish came another big "upgrade". The most noticeable of which is the sunroof and 17" rims. Traction and stability control at the expense of difflock featured on the GLS, but the GLX kept the D/L but had the old dash display, no leather, no sunroof or cruise and climate control and shorter maint contract. If you want bells and whistles for PO, stay away form the GLX. The 2003 GLS facelift is my personal choice of the lot.

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Hi guys,
Since I started this thread I'll end by saying thanks for all the info.
I drove back from the Cape (to Durban) in the 1999 Pajero 3.5
The Seller fitted secondhand tyres to sweeten the deal (but kept the price the same).
VERY long drive but the Pajero drove like a dream.
Did not use a drop of oil and the water and heat gaudge remained on level.
I set the speedo cruise to 100km/h from CT to Knysna and got 8.96km/liter.
I know that is slow driving but I wanted to see how low she can go
From there I did mostly 120km/h and got 8.4km/h which is still aceptable in my book.
Town driving with aircon use will take it up I know - will see in the coming weeks.
Thanks again for all your input in helping me make the decision.
See you around
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Pierre,

We did steal your thread a tad, but thanks for getting back to us with your final results. Man , those blister fenders were real winners and I hope you have a great time as the owner of that nice car.

Remeber, if we don't see the pics - it never really happened

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Great stuff...

That neat and clean engine bay tells a story of not having seen big work take place there.

Just a question:
Are the front seats on their own suspension? My 1998 was like that, but I heard that later models didn't have it.

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Just a question:
Are the front seats on their own suspension? My 1998 was like that, but I heard that later models didn't have it.
Mine also have the truck seats yes.
If only Toyota would catch a wake-up and install them in the Hilux range I might still have been driving my bone-shaker KZTE.
Anyway - Pajero is much better

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