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Old 02-06-11, 03:14 PM
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Hey guys,

Just as a matter of interest - and total ignorance of course

... in the mornings when I start up my little diesel 2.6 SUV Scorpio, it smokes a little while still cold. I noticed this morning that the smoke it almost white in color.

Just a few units from me this morning, a guy started up his Mazda bakkie (also diesel) and I noticed that his bakkie's smoke was totally black.

It makes me think that the one engine is healthier then the other perhaps? Anyone have an opinion on this ?

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Old 02-06-11, 03:31 PM
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Rudi has you're suv got glow plugs or not.
some of the 2.6 models did not have glo plugs.
my bil has 2006 also no glow plugs and it smokes a bit with cold start.
could also be calabration of diesel pump or dirty filters.
if its serious amount of smoke get it checked urgently but only miner when cold , nothing will happen , just cold start without glow plugs standard i would say in winter.

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Old 02-06-11, 03:36 PM
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i'm not sure white smoke is good. i'm no expert, but i've read on this forum that white smoke = problem turbo. (i don't even know if your car has a turbo )

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Old 02-06-11, 03:42 PM
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Default Smoke..

As a broad rule..

Black smoke....fueling
White smoke....water
Blue smoke....oil...

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Old 02-06-11, 04:12 PM
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Hi Wayne, its a 2004 model... not sure whether it has glow plugs or not? I don't think it has, as I can mearly pop the key in & start it - doesn't have a coil light either.
(I'm stating a whole lot of things, not knowing whether they even have anything to do with glow plugs or not lol!) - ur the expert

Indeed it has a turbo Ralton.

Hehe it does have a puff of white smoke in the morning, but this clears up quickly.

It's going in for a service tomorrow actually... will see whether it makes any difference.
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Default Land Rover okes always have answers...

BLACK SMOKE

Black smoke is mainly attributed to over fuelling :
  • The injector pump is set too rich, there is an excessive amount of diesel being sprayed into the cylinders.
  • The turbo charger is not supplying sufficient pressure (air) into the engine.
  • The injectors may be worn, posibly linke with some white smoke.
BLUE SMOKE

Blue smoke is only caused by oil in the wrong places:
  • Blue smoke while idling and low revs, or a puff if smoke when accelarating from idle means the valve stem seals are shot.
  • Blue smoke while driving shown the rings are worn, usually harder to detect than in petrols but always linked to higher oil consumption.
  • Blue smoke on decelleration on long slow downhills, shows valve stem seals are shot.
WHITE SMOKE

White smoke is a result of incorrect injection pump timing, foreign fluids and air :
  • Constant thin white smoke on idle, puffing when revving the engine.
  • Water in the fuel system - Maybe from a bad tank of fuel ? Been wading in deep water lately ?
  • Air in the fuel system - a badly sealing filter, or joint or tank return blocked

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Rudi has you're suv got glow plugs or not.
some of the 2.6 models did not have glo plugs.
my bil has 2006 also no glow plugs and it smokes a bit with cold start.
could also be calabration of diesel pump or dirty filters.
if its serious amount of smoke get it checked urgently but only miner when cold , nothing will happen , just cold start without glow plugs standard i would say in winter.

cheers
Wayne, just for the record, the Scorpio 2.6 NEF did not had any glow plugs, funny enough never had starting issues but had same white smoke during start up, however the 2.6 CRDe engine did had glow plugs. The first Bolero` did not had glow plugs, which had plenty of cold start issues, all later 2.5 engines was then fitted with glow plugs,

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Old 03-06-11, 07:15 AM
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Ok Cobus but when cold started and smokes a little then clears up is not amajor problem at present but if gradualy gets worse could cause major problems .
Is ek reg.

Rudi if it is just happening when cold started, well even my Thar does that in the mornings and thats a crde motor.

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Old 03-06-11, 09:00 AM
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Hi manne,

Dis eintlik 'n interresante onderwerp - waarvan ek nie veel weet nie lol - maar ek het juis gister aand met my skoonpa gesels en vir hom ook gese dat my Mahindra glo nie glow plugs het nie.

Die ouer garde weet mos alles jong so hy het vreeslik met my gestry...

Hoe werk dit dan as hy nie glow plugs het nie? Hoe skop die engine in ?


Kyk ek is glad nie gepla oor die rook wat bietjie hang in die oggende nie, die oukie start 1st time every time! Ek het maar net gewonder hoekom my 'van' se rook spier wit is, waar van die ender diesels pik swart is wanneer hulle start?

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Hi Rudi,

Dis heeltemal reg, Die 2.6 TDI enjin het nie glowplugs nie. Dit is so goed ontwerp en die kompressie is so hoog dat die saamgeperste lug in die silinder warm genoeg is om die diesel te laat ontbrand sodra jy die starter draai.
Wit rook op n' koue diesel is normaal, dit is ongebrande diesel agv koue silinders. Jy sal dit ook sommer ruik, skerp reuk.
Swart rook is teveel diesel. Pomp verkeerd gestel of n' injector wat stick.
Blou rook is olie wat verbrand in die silinder.
Wit rook (stoom) op n' warm enjin is water (coolant) wat in die silinders in lek. Het gewoonlik n' soet reuk.

My Scorpio rook nie, maar hy ruik soos koerant papier wat brand as die enjin baie koud is, eks mal oor daai reuk.
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Old 03-06-11, 10:14 AM
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Selfde hier....ry nogals lekker in die oggende as ek die Thar start. Geen rook by my nie...wel met maar net 8234km sal n rookie n probleem gewees het .

My ou diesel (met glow plugs) het n wit wolk gehad in die oggende so ja dis normaal sover ek weet.

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my 2007 2.6 GLX SUV has smoked white on starting, since new....only on very cold days when not parked in the garage....clears up within seconds of starting.....

a bit of black smoke when i put foot up the hills....
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Old 03-06-11, 11:33 AM
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...Dis heeltemal reg, Die 2.6 TDI enjin het nie glowplugs nie. Dit is so goed ontwerp en die kompressie is so hoog dat die saamgeperste lug in die silinder warm genoeg is om die diesel te laat ontbrand sodra jy die starter draai....

Dankie Marius... ek ennie skoonpa gaan weer lekker stry die naweek !!
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Old 03-06-11, 11:45 AM
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Enige enjin maak wit stoom op 'n koue oggend, maar dit sal verdwyn wanneer dit nie meer so erg koud is buite nie. Die verskil in voorkoms tussen wit rook en stoom is dat die stoom nie in die lug bly hang (as die voertuig stilstaan) nie, maar dadelik wegraak. Rook bly 'n rukkie hang en verdwyn nie sommer net nie. Stoom sal ook nie deur die dag sigbaar wees nie al start jy hom eers later in die dag (tensy jy in Sutherland bly), terwyl die rook daar sal wees ook as jy die enjin later in die dag vir die eerste keer start. Ek weet nie hoeveel hiervan jy reeds weet nie. Dalk alles.
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Dankie Louis, ek maak maar info bymekaar jong. Mens hoor mos maar gereeld goete wat jy nie weet nie
My rook is beslis nie stoom nie - so mooi wit, lekker ruik diesel rookie
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M2CW...on Black Smoke. I have noticed that when I used the latest 50ppm diesel, my exhaust (and black deposits on trailer) are far less on my 2.6 Scorpio than when I use the more common 500ppm diesel. Pulling a trailer I really notice the difference as any black smoke builds up quickly on the white paint of the trailer nose-cone. So, albeit more expensive I am now a firm convert to 50ppm....and also believe this will benefit me in putting off injector overhaul. I am currently at 98,000km.

The white smoke traces tend to disappear as engine warms up.
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Dankie Louis, ek maak maar info bymekaar jong. Mens hoor mos maar gereeld goete wat jy nie weet nie
My rook is beslis nie stoom nie - so mooi wit, lekker ruik diesel rookie
Nee, doodreg Rudi. Ek hou ook daarvan om ander ouens se menings en ondervinding te verneem, dis hoe mens leer en daarvoor is mens nooit te oud nie. Jammer, maar ek het soms die manier om pedanties te wees, maar ek bedoel dit eintlik goed.
Iemand voor my het reeds gesÍ wat die wit rokie is wat na diesel ruik, nl. onverbrande diesel. Het dit al op my Isuzu teŽgekom nadat ek die dieselfilter vervang het. Die ding het ongewoon lank gevat om te start - seker 'n hele 5 sekondes - en toe hy vat, het hy hierdie dik wit rook uitgeblaas. Ook so na diesel geruik. Daarna maak ek altyd die nuwe filter vol diesel voordat ek hom insit en dit het nog nie weer gebeur nie. Op daardie bakkie is die "prime" pompie eintlik daar om lug uit die water trap te bloei d.m.v. die bloeiskroefie bo aan die ding. Het jou bakkie ook daardie bloeiskroefie?
Om die eerlike waarheid te sÍ, ek weet nie hoe hierdie storie vir jou gaan help nie
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Julle ouens moet onthou die voertuie kom uit India uit.... dis nooit koud daar nie, dis hoekom die engines nie daarvan hou as dit koud is, dink ons SA koue is soms so ietwat te erg. Maar hulle start...... met so bietjie rook soms as dit koud is

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My 2.6 also smoke a bit when it is very cold like now..... It disappears after a while. I also think it is because the 2.6 does not have glow plugs. Mine smoke quite a bit after startup after it stood in the garage for a week or more in the winter.

Still an awesome machine!
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