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Old 25-01-10, 09:31 AM
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Which Double Cab 4x4 would you regard as the best vehicle to buy for a primary vehicle (second hand)? - Taking maintenance, fuel consumption and capability into account... (Petrol or Diesel)

Toyota
Nissan Navara
Nissan Hardbody
Triton
Colt
For Ranger
Mazda BT 50
Isuzu

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Old 25-01-10, 09:54 AM
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I was considering getting a bakkie as a second car and I was starting to lean towards the Hiluxes. Sadly I dont think the finances will allow it just yet.

I think the key is to get one that wasnt really used offroad all that often basically dont buy one from someone on this forum (no offense, but its true)
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My Personal oppinion is Either the Toyota Hilux 3.0 D4D 4x4 or the Ford Ranger 3.0TDCI XLE 4x4 or the Mazda BT50 3.0 SLE 4x4.

I have heard that the Navara's are not good at offroad at all!! (Not enough ground clearance)


How much do you want to spend??

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Old 25-01-10, 10:43 AM
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It seems that most would recommend the Toyota and Ford...(on which I agree)

What about the Triton and Isuzu?

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I of course think the Isuzu is best, but then that's because I have one! Personally, I would go with my gut, that means that whatever you feel is best will probably be best for you. The Toy would be my second choice though.

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I hear the new (Facelift) Isuzu is a very nice 4x4. Lots of power. Haven't driven one as yet though!

Maybe you should look at some of the "small" things, to see what you prefer, for example:
The Ford/Mazda uses a gear lever for your'e "4x4" gears (Which I prefer) whereas the Isuzu uses a switch on the dash. Maybe you like the switch idea more than the lever or vice versa. Small things like this can help you make up you're mind on what you want to buy.

I don't think you can go wrong with Toyota,Ford/Mazda,Isuzu. They are all good bakkies!

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Old 25-01-10, 01:35 PM
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I prefer the lever... more to play with

Ford has changed back to the lever, that only tells me one thing... stick with mechanical components.

Which of these 4x4 has the least amount of electronics and bells and whistles?

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I think the Ford/Mazda is more "oldschool" than the Triton/Isuzu ect. They all have ABS and Airbags and that kind of electronics but on the mechanical side I think the Ford is more traditional.Awesome 3.0 engine though! Even the 2.5TD is very nice mill! Not the most powerfull engine under the sun but reliable and has enough power for me!! (Most of the modern bakkies are extremely similar on the luxuries)
What year model are you looking for??

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If you ask me i would say Triton.... capable, fuel economy good, and a soft ride.. And you have the lever...haha

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Hi, you will not get a strait answer as we all are partial to what we drive or wish to drive. Good luck on the hunt and join us soon with the new van.

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Ok Gents, let me throw a spanner in the works...

Toyota - NOT for me thanks. Very good bakkie, but everybody's got one
Nissan Navara - VERY NICE! No ground clearance though. If fiited with bash plate, OME, replacement bumper - AWESOME!! (I wish I could afford one) DIESEL!!!
Nissan Hardbody - My choice would be the 3.3 V6. Same fuel economy as the 2.4. Diesel not bad, but here and only here, I'd prefer petrol.
Triton - TOO UGLY!! Sorry Triton guys. Its a matter of personal taste
Colt - I once was told to stay as far away as possible from Mitsu-diesel. Dunno who true this is...
For Ranger - VERY good choice. Rated as one of the best.
Mazda BT 50 - See above
Isuzu - Older series had weak chassis. Dunno whether that was fixed with the new. I'd stay away. (Again, personal taste)

Basically, all of the above are very good vehicles - only the Navara is not very capable in standard form due to lack of ground clearance but this is something one can easily overcome with a few $$$$

You can not go wrong with any of these. Just stay away from the indian and chinese vehicles.....

On the other hand, One can get a GWM Hover (SUV) 2.5TDi 4x4 with low range for R 270K - brand spanking new.....
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Surely someone made a comparison between the different 4x4 ito cost, value for money, reliability, resale value etc...

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Most Magazines have done tests over the years to compare all these bakkies.

My opinion though is that these guys are biased towards certain brands and it will always be that way, so if I was you I would take their reviews with a pinch of salt!!

But like I say..thats my opinion!

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If you put resale value into the picture, then you would never buy any of them!
Top sales will give an indication as to popularity & last I checked the Hilux led Isuzu, & the fords followed the Isuzu.
Those are the top 3 to choose from, they are all good in thier own right it is just personal preference, Ive driven them all & just enjoyed the ride of the suzi more.

Simply take a test drive with each & when youre done you will know which one is right for you!

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Where can I find these sales? Do you have a specific site?

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www.naamsa.co.za (Sales stats)

Best figures does not always mean best bakkie!! But I understand what Justin is saying!
How long are you planning on keeping the bakkie??

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Hmmm, the figures are misleading ito 4x4's. It shows total sales, and obviously the more options in a range, means more sales...
2009 Figures:

Hilux 2500 Ford 582 BT 50 392 Isuzu 1137 Triton 314 Colt 74 Hardbody 608 Navara 247 Defender 58

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There is plenty of excellent books monthly on the market. Leisure Wheels etc. Start at CNA and buy a couple of books and read them. That will give you a good departure
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Personally I wouldn't base my purchase on how many are sold per month!

Narrow you're choice down to say the 2 you like the most, and the see which one of the 2 dealers can give you the best deal! (price,service plan,optionals ect)

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Isuzu - Older series had weak chassis.
Have not seen your bakkie in a while, little Koos.

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I cannot challenge a book on what is written, I agree with BeeTee50, they are bias and only have the vehicle for a test drive. They do not experience the vehicle for what it really is...
Personal opinions counts much more to me...

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Go and test drive them, all the opinions here are biased.

Read the brand-related threads to scout for potential problems.

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When you buy 2nd hand, the bakkie will only be as good as the treatment it recieved from thr previous owner.
All other comments are based on personal taste, I mean, just look at my signature!

Find something you like, take it for a test drive and inspect it as good as you can or take someone along that knows what to look for.......

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only one way to settle this.....choose your top 3 or 5 and go out and drive each of them!!

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The Double Cabs in question are all very similar. It would be difficult to justify one being better than the other.

You will pay more for a Toyota simply becuase of the badge, also Turbo Diesels will cost more than petrols and naturally aspired petrols are less likely to give trouble.

Other than that take the one you like the most and/or that you can get the best deal on.

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Hi There...

My brother has the Triton 2.5 4x4...
Extremely light on fuel - open road 12-13km/l.
Very capable offroad - Super select 4wd with Centre Diff Lock as well as a rear locker. More than enough ground clearance, articulation etc. It more than keeps up with the likes of Discovery 3's etc.
A lot of space - way more rear legroom than my Disco II.

He has been very happy with it...

I have to add that to me it wasn't the best looking of them all, but I got used to the shape very quickly and I do like it now...

I don't have first hand experience here but I have heard and read that the Ford's offroad abilities are quite bad... I don't want to start a fight here guys so maybe someone in the know can provide more info?

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Can someone tell me witch D/cab is inported and not made in S/A ?. Except the chinese and Tata

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What about the Hilux injector problem... Is that someting to take into consideration ??
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Helo,
Which Double Cab 4x4 would you regard as the best vehicle to buy for a primary vehicle (second hand)? - Taking maintenance, fuel consumption and capability into account... (Petrol or Diesel)

Toyota
Nissan Navara
Nissan Hardbody
Triton
Colt
For Ranger
Mazda BT 50
Isuzu

What did i miss?
What you missed was the following choice at the bottom of the list: ANY OF THE ABOVE.

Personal choice mate .. that's all. None of the vehicles (double cabs) in standard form can really be used for serious 4x4 applications - all require modifications - and that is my personal oppinion. The best is to start off with the understanding that all were created equally, and it is marketting that sets them appart. Then you go and drive the various models and find the one you like most. Once you have bought your vehicle of choice, then you join the club to discuss and debate why your vehicle is better than the rest.

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Very capable offroad - Super select 4wd with Centre Diff Lock as well as a rear locker.
One small little detail that everyone is overlooking. SuperSelect on the Triton means it's the ONLY one that you can drive in 4WD on a hard surface. In other words you can put it in 4WD when it starts raining, even on the highway or in town. If you can look past the ugly face (IMO, of course ) and the fact that it IS smaller on the inside than the Hilux and Navara, nothing else in this segment has an equal/better contender.

Personally, I'd go for a raised and bumpered Navara, because I like the look and size. Or wait for the new VW Amarok.

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Toyota - LOCAL
Nissan Navara - IMPORTED (Spain originally, I think Thailand now)
Nissan Hardbody - LOCAL
Triton - LOCAL (Originally imported from Thailand)
Colt - LOCAL
For Ranger -LOCAL
Mazda BT 50 - LOCAL
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I don't have first hand experience here but I have heard and read that the Ford's offroad abilities are quite bad...
Not true! Most of these bakkies are so similar it is scary! Suspension, power, luxuries ect...

I am not an experienced 4x4 guru, but I am very impressed with what I have seen and done with my Mazda! (Same as Ford)

Basically it comes down to this:

The Ford guys will say the Toyotas are crappy, the Toyota guys will say the Fords are crappy, the Nissan guys will say the Mitsubishi's are crappy ect ect....

It all comes down to personal taste and what you want!

I believe that exept for all these Chinese rip offs and the indian trokkies there is no such thing as a BAD car anymore, they all have their strong points and their week points.

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Okay, I get it... P E R S O N A L T A S T E

Other than that, I am impressed of what i heard on the Triton...

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All a matter of personal preferance. I do think there is not a lot between the mentioned vehicles. Think the Toyota's only sale that much due to it being branded as truly South African. I drive a Triton and show me a road where the Toyota's can go and where I cannot and I'll show you that Father Christmas does exist.
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I have a 20 page vehicle test between toy, ford, mazda, mitsi, navara, hardbody. They take everything in consideration with 7 judges starting with space, loadbox, engine , ability, etc and the Navara came first, etc. The best test I have seen and a real comparison.

Unfortunately you will never get to know what is the best on a forum like this but the opinions of the people perceive to be the best and that would be what they drive.

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My very biased opinion: buy the Hilux and be done with it.

If there were no Hiluxes in the world, I would buy the BT-50 or the Ranger or the Isuzu in a flash.
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Again it is personal choice, so yes I would say the Triton

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Probably the best in terms of capability would be a new Unimog.
Unfortunately it fails dismally in the other two categories.
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Okay,
It is narrowed down to Toyota and Triton (using personal taste).

What concerns me on the Toyota is the Injector problem that seems to be popping up...

The Triton is now between the 2.5 and 3.2. Considering the 2.5 because of the center diff lock, not on the 3.2... Any known problems on the Triton that could be expensive?

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Buy the Goose's Triton. Most of the mods are done, and it hardly went off-road.

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Engel, from your 20 page comparison witch came out tops?
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smiles, if you want simplicity then buy a ford/mazda i have had one for the last 5 years purely for overlanding, absolutely no problems apart from the usual teething probs, i have fitted camil shocks all round bigger intercooler drawer system water tank front runner roof rack snorkel dual battery system free flow exhaust (sac stage 2) egt guage etc etc, am selling if you are interested. well looked after with full service history. this bakkie goes almost anywhere with relative ease.

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New generation Diesels, common rail engines. More power yes but computer box and all those expensive goodies that can give problems when crossing deep water.

Older generation like the previous shape Ranger, Mazda Drifters and older Isuzu KB's and Colt TDI's had the normal diesel injection motors. Nothing to them and easy to do maintenance, services and relatively cheaper to repair than the Common rails.

It all depends on what you will use your 4x4 for and how far you are going with it ie overlanding, modifying extensively and so forth.

All 4x4's are pretty even on par with each other and it comes down to the driver and the tyres...

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Smiles, I like ur thinking. U want the best dc, simply look at the facts!
*Triton DC best NCAP rating
L200 Adult 4 stars, Child 3,Pedestrian 1- Navara Adult half star (yes thats right) Child 3, Pedestrian2 and now they modified european navara and now get A 3s, C 4s and P 2s-D-max Adult one and a half star, child 2 starand Pedestrian 1 star- Ranger Adult 2 stars, child 3 stars and pedestian 2 stars. Toyota Hilux 4x4 cant seem to find any ncap test results.
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* Triton passed Moose test on 4 wheels
* Triton Min Turning circle - 11.8 m best in its class
* Triton Very back rear electric and heated window, only bakkie to have had this yet
* Triton has Permanant 4wd/2wd Super Select lockable centre diff with traction control
* Triton biggest rear seating area in its class
* Triton is the best looking DC
* Triton Its a Mitsubishi
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I beilieve the Triton has just won 4X4 of the year in Aus (Australian overlander magazine). It beat the disco 4 and new Prado for the crown. Very impressive bakkie - but then again, I drive one (biased)

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I'd like to see some proof of this. I seriously doubt this is the case. The Triton is the same size as the Colt, which is the same size as the previous generations Hardbody/Ranger/Drifter/KB/Hilux. IMO, the Navara and the Hilux are probably the two biggest ones.
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Well... erm... Let's just say it'll remain open for discussion for a long time.

Again, just for the record, when it comes to bakkies, I'm a Nissan fan, but the SuperSelect 4WD in the Triton is impossible to beat (until the Amarok shows up, that is...) I'm just not getting used to that Triton front-end and that "left too long in the sun and now it's melting" loadbox, sorry.

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u only need to look at the rear access doors, rear in the Triton is the biggest by far
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[QUOTE=AndrieK;425078]I'd like to see some proof of this. I seriously doubt this is the case. The Triton is the same size as the Colt, which is the same size as the previous generations Hardbody/Ranger/Drifter/KB/Hilux. IMO, the Navara and the Hilux are probably the two biggest ones.


The Triton has about three times the rear leg room as the Colt. So not sure where you get that it is the same size. Have you ever sat in one at the rear? Not only spacious and at the very least the same size of the Nissan and Toyota but very comfortable with a good angle on the back rest.

Looks - Different stroke for different fokes, not for everyones liking but with a big set of tyres?? I think it looks awesome!!

I tell you one thing though, it has amazing wheel travel and by this I mean a lot more than the Colt. It just seems to go through the cross axles so much easier than most of the other double cabs.

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Do what I did. I took my tape measure to Nissan, Toyota and Mitsubishi and it told me that the Triton had the best space from steering wheel to front of rear seat back and all measurements in between. Its true to say that the Fortuner (which was better than the Hilux) was only 25mm less than the Triton.

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Smiles,

one factor has not been mentioned. You say you will be buying second hand. I can assure you, that if price is a factor in your consideration, you will find the best value for money in a Hardbody. The Toy has the HIGHEST second hand price (keeps its value best). For similar year and condition vehicles, the Nissan will be considerably cheaper than anything else available.

Oh, and this is not so much an indictment on the vehicle, it starts at the price new, where the hardbody is also well below everything except the chinese.

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My first choice will be a Triton (Petrol) en in a close second a Ford or Mazda 3lt.

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