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Old 17-06-09, 08:44 AM
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After a long search for a family 4x4 we ended up buying a 2006 KB 300 LX 4x4. I probably don't have to tell you how happy we are: What a great car! Great 4x4, spacious, comfortable, enough power and a fuel consumption of only 11.5l/km.

The only problem is the fuel gauge: it goes from full to empty in about 400 km (fuel light not on yet), and when I fill up, only approx. 40 liters go in. Shouldn't the KB have a 75 liter tank, or will the gauge stay at empty for another 35 liter?

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Old 17-06-09, 08:51 AM
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The KB (Go Big) series has a very big reserve - approx 20 liters to ensure the engine does not run empty.

40 Liters is a bit low on the refeul side, so I'd recommend you have the stealers, or a dependable workshop, check out the tank fuel sender and float unit. It might need some adjustment.

On average, the 300 should take about 60 - 70 liters after the fuel light has come on.

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Old 17-06-09, 08:59 AM
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Hi I had both your shape Suzi & the current shape & both have the same 67l tank I had a similar problem with the older shape & very seldom filled more than about 55l.

The stealers explained it much the same as Dookie & were willing to take a look but wanted my car for a day, just never got around to giving it to them so I cant tell you the outcome but I did confirm the tank size!

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I have the same model and the same problem. The most fuel I have put in is 51 liters, and thats after white knuckle driving with the fuel light on. The tank airlocks badly so if you give the van a good rock from side to side you will get another 5 liters or so in. This has to be done a few times which is a pain.

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.......... and a fuel consumption of only 11.5l/km.



you sure you don't have a leak in the tank........
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I also had the shape you have currently, but done about 580 to 600 km before the fuel light goes on and then filled up with about 56 litres. My brother, however, had the single cab KB300 and his also showed empty very quickly. GM changed the fuel tank under warranty and the problem was sorted. Afterwards his fuel gauge had the same characteristics as mine.

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Old 30-06-09, 09:21 AM
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SA 4x4 magazine is doing a survey on exactly this. Page 29 of June 2009 issue.

4x4, softroaders, SUV's. double cabs - petrol or diesel.


send them the following info:
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5. where the needle was prior to the refuel
6. the size of teh fule tank as specified in teh owners manual

send it to editor@sa4x4.co.za they will do an article about it.

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Old 18-08-09, 09:22 AM
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Phoned the dealership: they will replace the tank sensor unit: I'll keep you updated.
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Not used to my KB 300 D-Teq and the fuel gauge yet having taken delivery last Friday, but I think there is a reading problem in what the tank shows and the actual quantity of litres still in the tank.

At the pump on Sunday my needle showed a quarter or just below a quarter and I filled the tank to the top and even shook the bakkie to get out any airlocks and managed to get just under 45 litres into the tank. So given that the tank size is 76 litres I had used approximately 60% of the fuel instead of 75% as indicated by the needle. So at the quarter tank reading there was approximately still 30 litres left in the tank.
At 10.3Km to a litre consumption which is what I measured, that is quite a bit of Km's I could still possibly travel.
The salesman did also mention that the reserve light comes on when there is still 20 litres left in the tank.

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Old 24-08-09, 09:57 PM
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If the gauge shows empty /reserve when there is 20l still in the tank, then @10.3km/l you can still travel 206km. By any stretch of the imagination this is inaccurate to the extent that the gauge is just extra deadweight in the vehicle. It is wrong and should be fixed. Simple as that. I would accept maybe 5% error. No more. Same goes for the speedo.

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I went down to my father's house on the Garden Route this past weekend which is a distance of 464Km from my place in Cape Town.
Tank was full and shaken for air bubbles when I left.

Fuel needle showed as follows on my journey:
3/4 tank at 145km travelled
1/2 tank at 250km travelled
1/4 tank at 400km travelled
(I took extra special care to squint really well to view the needle more or less exactly over the 1/4 markings)

When I arrived at my destination I had travelled a total of 464Km. The needle now showing more or less half way between 1/4 and the Empty Line.
I filled up the tank which took 43.7 litres, also shaking the cab for air bubbles.
Given the fact that the tank holds 76 litres I had more than 30 litres of Diesel still left in the tank with the needle at this mark.

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My previous KB300 (2004 model) showed as follows:

3/4 - 150km
1/2 - 280km
1/4 - 440km
Light came on at about 600km mark and then I filled up with about 55 litres.
(Still have my old log book)

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My KB300 TDi, D/C, 4x2, 2002 often gives me 800km before I need to refuel. Depending on driving stile, the light comes on at around 700 - 800km. Book says it has a 83litre capacity. The most I filled was 77.73litres on 822km. The longest I've traveled was 884km and then filled 71.9litres - that's 12.29km/l. No shaking to get air locks out. I have the bad habbit to keep up my log book with every filling. Average milage is aroung 11.5km/l.
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Just filled up a few moments ago.
Needle was just above the Empty mark and with a bit of shaking I got 48 litres into the tank. Which means there is still 28 litres in the tank given that the tank holds 76 litres according to the manual.
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@Sniper.

What mileage you getting on your chipped D-Teq?

I have had my un-chipped 300 D-Teq for almost 2 weeks and so far I have everaged 10.6, 10,3 and 10km per litre. The last tank was not filled properly.
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I'm getting on average about 9 to 9.5 km/l - just remember, it's an Automatic. When cruising at about 125 km/h on long distances I get about 10.5 km/h.

On the D-Teq, the fual gauge take about 50 - 60km to start dropping, and when it does start to drop, it drops quickly, you experience the same?

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Hi Sniper.

Those mileages I gave above were more or less long distance trips with a bit of town travelling in-between, done at the prevailing speed limit, one trip on the N7 from Cape Town past Clanwilliam and the other trip on the N2 from Cape Town to the Garden Route and back. I have a manual box.

I cannot get over the torque this vehicle has on hills and the cruise control is to die for. I set the speed up to do 120 or 100Km whatever the road signs indicated and it just eats the inclines as if they were not there. You look into the rear view mirror and see most of the other cars on the road falling back. I did Sir Lowry's Pass at 90km per hour on the cruise control and watched as I drove past the other traffic on the road. As I reached the summit of the pass I had to brake as I was certainly going too fast.
First time in my life that I have had a vehicle with cruise control.

I experienced the same phenomena with the fuel gauge dropping quickly as you described. Thought it was my driving at first until I read either this forum or Isuzuoffroad. Proves it is very useful to share experiences and information.

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I have the 300 d-teq extended cab manual, my fuel readings are more or less the same.
3/4=150km
1/2=250km
1/4=350km

The most fuel I have put in was 55l
The most km per tank was 550km
the fastest speed 188km/h according to gps
best fuel consumption 12.8km/l

I really loves this bakkie, cruise control is a gem and ride quality macnificent.

Only problem is the relatively small fuel tank.

Hope this helps

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The fuel tank is the same size (72 odd litre), they really have a large "reserve" though... I've heard stories of guys travelling more than a 100km after the light came on with no problem...

My gauge levels:

3/4 = 140km
1/2 = 260km
1/4 = 400km

Best consumption: just over 12 km/l on a trip to Kimberley.

BTTB, you must feel the torque after the chip... A full 460Nm of it!

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I will be chipping mine soon.
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I filled up my 300 D-Teq just after the fuel light (Reserve) came on and the tank took just over 53 litres. For that I got 535Km.
So the reported 20 litre reserve tank is true given that the tank holds more or less 73 litres, or 76 litres according to the manual.

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Hi guys,

I noticed this "premature empty tank" syndrome too on our bakkie, but not as bad as some mentioned here.

Yesterday we went into Cape Town and while driving along Durbanville Hills I saw the reserve light come on with 585 km showing. Eventually we were on our way back home along the N1 and with 625 km showing we stopped at the Sasol filling station opposite Cape Gate to fill up. She took 61.707 ltr - worked out to, 9.8731 ltr / 100 km, or 10.1285 km / ltr. This was mostly town driving...

Looking at the log book I see that a few months ago I had stretched it to around 64 ltr on filling up.

I also notice that the gauge levels show as:

3/4 = +/- 150km
1/2 = +/- 275km
1/4 = +/- 400km

Drops very quickly from about 50 km or so - still getting used to the way the fuel gauge works. The bakkie has now only done about 15k km and seems to be getting more economical for the last three tanks driven out...

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Hi Guys,

As promised a bit of feedback from my new fuel gauge sensor installment: small improvement. The light comes on after 500-550 km, but the most important thing was that they showed me the amount of fuel still in the tank after the light came on: No need for white knuckles up to 650 km...

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That seems more like it. As I mentioned above, the reserve light on mine seems to come on anything between 550 and 590 km, and then there is still quite a decent amount of Diesel left in the tank. So as a rule of thumb I would personally make a plan to fill it within the next 60 km of steady driving - so anything between 610 and 650 km on the trip meter.

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Just bought a 300tdi lx 2005 , 2 weeks ago and had the same problem, filled up to the brim and drove from cape town to montague, when I left Montague, not driving around there, my gauge was below 1/4 having done 228 km there< I decided to dirve back without filling up , the light came on about 30km before I got home and when I got home 450km later, the light Is on and the guage is on the floor.

What to do, this is sary driving, my brother in law's toyota was at 3/4 after the same trip to montague..

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How much fuel did it take when you filled up then? I suspect something between 43 - 46 ltr if you did 450 km on the tank. If that's the case then your fuel gauges is suffering for the "premature empty tank" syndrome, but like some have mentioned here, should be possible to have corrected. Otherwise think of it as having an over 20 ltr reserve.

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On my current 2009 KB300 4x4, I fill up to about 60l to the auto stop, after approx 550km, my previous (2008 KB300 4x2) only ever got 53 - 55l to the autostop doing approx 500km, so I think it also varies from vehicle to vehicle. And yes, there is approx still 100km left in the tank whem the light comes on!

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Handbook (3.0 D-Teq) gives fuel capacity as 76 lit.

My gauge says I average ±10.5km/l, therfore 798km to empty.
Therefore I should easily cover 76 x 10 = 760km before needing to fill.

My warning light comes on at 540km

The most I have put in is 66.5l, (for 672km=10.1km/l) and I should have had 10.5lit left in the tank.

Update: Ran out of fuel yesterday right next to a garage. Filled up to the brim (shakin & stompin) and put in 72 lit. [4 lit less than the handbook] Average shown on the readout was 10.2kml.

From now on I fill up at 700km which should give a reserve of 34km @10.2kml.

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Filled up yesterday (D-Teq), warning light came on just after reaching 600km, filled up at 617km and put in 59.8 litres.

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I had the pre D-Max Isuzu 300 Tdi (early 2004 model), which had the "normal" reserve of about 10 l. With the reserve light on, I remember more than one occasion where the diesel pump sucked air when driving through one specific long bend at speed, which is very unhealthy for the diesel pump. Apparently the 20 l reserve is to avoid the said situation, i.e. where air is sucked into the system, so trying to ignore this safety measure is really defeating the purpose of the 20 liter reserve.

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The tank airlocks badly so if you give the van a good rock from side to side you will get another 5 liters or so in. This has to be done a few times which is a pain.
I have the D-Max now and yes, it is the biggest pain is to get the thing full of diesel!

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DTeq 300 (not chipped yet, standard fuel guage) filled to the brim and shaken.
Reserve light came on at 565km and I filled up at 642km with 60.495 litres which gives me a consumption of 10.6km to the litre, most of which was done driving in Town.

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Both BTTB & Sniper should therefore be able to fill up @700km with a solid reserve left.

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I got 11km/l for the first time last week! Took GPS distance and pump reading, as my on board computer said 12.6km/l - wishfull thinking...

On the IOC forum a guy drove until his D-Teq had no more juice left (luckilly right next to the garage) and he filled up with 72 litres. If that is true, I can do about 700km easily.

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Hi Guys
I am new to this forum. I have just bought a 2006 KB 300 4x4 LX DC. A nice ride. Std with gabriel shocks and Hankook 245 x70x 16 tyres.
I also experience a similar fuel guage reading. From full to red light on 498km and it took 45.3 litres.
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I dont hear if any one is happy with the push button 2H - 4H - 4L button system.
1. If problems arise [wont go into 4H e.g.] how can you solve it on the road?
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3. Can the transfercase be moded back to having a gear level system?
3. What mods are necessary to convert to front hubs and save the cv's?
4. What is the best route to chipping [e.g.SAC] and, will it perform similar to a CRDi?
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Adding an ARB on my 300 definitely had a negative effect on fuel consumption. Will be interesting to know what your finding is with that great looking bumper.

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Howzit,

I'm happy with the buttons and I know of no one in the Isuzu Offroad Club that has a problem with the system. The only time anyone experienced a problem with it, it was because they haven't read the manual...

Modded back to a gearlever? All the best...

Yip, easy mod using Free Winch manual hubs. The guys at Dune Offroad has done mine last week. Look at pics under the Isuzu Pictures thread.

I've chipped both my KB's at SAC and ran the first for close to 200 000km without problem, great performance and better fuel consumption.

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Adding an ARB on my 300 definitely had a negative effect on fuel consumption. Will be interesting to know what your finding is with that great looking bumper.
As well as the bigger tyres and added canopy!

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We teach you to Capture Nature: Wildlife / Landscape / Astro Photography / Timelapse / Star Trails / HDR

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