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Old 18-03-13, 09:08 PM
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Hi All,

First of all I am not particularly brand loyal.

I had a SFA hilux and 2 discoveries. For me a disco 1 has no competitor in its price range when it comes to comfort and its only downfall is fuel consumption in V8 form.

I am not going to dwell on landrover reliability because I believe than irrespective of brand the most reliable engines are normally aspirated diesels.

I have been toying with the idea of changing to one of the 3 vehicles below. All similar but all in different price brackets.

2.4D SFA Hilux
3000D IFS Hilux
4200D Cruiser

I believe that any of those 3 are as reliable as they get.

I don't believe that any of those get much more than 8km/l

I don't believe that any of those are as comfortable as a D1

Value for money... Well I have so many mixed ideas about that and that's why I haven't made up my mind yet.

Then throw in the option of a brand new Jimny and I am even more confused.

I want to use the vehicle for camping weekend within 100km as well as doing 4x4 routes and the occasional yearly long trip of 4000km or more. I want to do all calculations over 10 years ownership and 100k km distance.

Please give your opinions on vehicles that would fit the description of a economical (relative to other 4x4s) reliable cost effective vehicle!

I might end up keeping the disco but at R3 per km I can do a lot with R300k of fuel...

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All good choices in their own way, but the 3000D had head issues at around 100k km. The KZTE, if looked after, would be a safer bet.


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okay, the perfect man, the perfect woman are driving along in an economical, cost effective reliable 4x4, with their 2 perfect kids.

they pick up Santa Claus along the way as his sleigh has broken down.

they have a terrible accident, who survives?



Answer: only the perfect woman could possibly live, as none of the other people exist, and, to boot there could not have been an accident as the vehicle does not exist either...
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okay, the perfect man, the perfect woman are driving along in an economical, cost effective reliable 4x4, with their 2 perfect kids.

they pick up Santa Claus along the way as his sleigh has broken down.

they have a terrible accident, who survives?



Answer: only the perfect woman could possibly live, as none of the other people exist, and, to boot there could not have been an accident as the vehicle does not exist either...

Alex, you have put this soooooooo well.

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We should bring out a book.

the economical, reliable, cost effective 4x4 and other fairy tales...
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If I had to pick from the bunch it will be the cruiser 4200d.
But I can't see you getting 8km/l with it.
All three will be frustrating to drive though.

I would look at the 2.8td Isuzu, in my experience it is a very reliable motor. With a little bit of power. And you can cruise at 120/130 on the highway. Fuel consumption will be 10km/l or more. If something does go its cheap to fix if you shop around a bit.
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Ok so looking at the suggestions so far:

KZ-TE
280TD

Both turbo diesels. TD engines are most economical but also most unreliable.

All things are pointing to a second hand jimny being the only reliable economical 4x4 that would cost me less in the next 100k km than keeping my disco.

But the size! Eish
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Ok so looking at the suggestions so far:

KZ-TE
280TD

Both turbo diesels. TD engines are most economical but also most unreliable.

All things are pointing to a second hand jimny being the only reliable economical 4x4 that would cost me less in the next 100k km than keeping my disco.

But the size! Eish
Add a roof rack. Your consumption will be more BUT it won't be nearly as bad as a Cruiser or anything else mentioned
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Ok so looking at the suggestions so far:

KZ-TE
280TD

Both turbo diesels. TD engines are most economical but also most unreliable.

All things are pointing to a second hand jimny being the only reliable economical 4x4 that would cost me less in the next 100k km than keeping my disco.

But the size! Eish
Isuzu 2.8td
The one we had we sold recently with 430 000km on.
We replaced injectors a few times, not more than R3000.00
Turbo once, for R5000, but it was not driven as it should have been, you need to idle it after use and that was not done enough.

turbo went at around 400 000km

I would call that pretty damn reliable
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Economical, reliable, cost effective 4x4? One word: Amarok... Sure there are 4x4's that are more capable and have higher ground clearance. But for your demands, nothing comes close. And it can take a euro pallet (ping Manny).
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I don't care what anyone say, 9 times out of 10 you lose money overall when selling a car and buying another.

Service the Disco well, make sure its running as economically as possible and keep it.
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Economical, reliable, cost effective 4x4? One word: Amarok... Sure there are 4x4's that are more capable and have higher ground clearance. But for your demands, nothing comes close. And it can take a euro pallet (ping Manny).

SO CAN THE NEW ISUZU! WOOHOO!

Definitely number one priority for all of us haha.
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Thanks for the opinions guys!

Lets look at the figures:

100k km over 10 years...

Disco: Fuel R300k
2nd hand Jimny: Fuel R120k Vehicle R120k (2009 with 75k km)

I am not talking maintenance.

Then I might have an option on a 2.4D hilux for around R30k and fuel for 100k km about R150k

Disco R300k
Jimny R240k
Hilux R180k

Decisions decisions...
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You will be hard pressed to find a better "bang for your buck" vehicle than a diesel disco 1. But since you asked...

You did not mention which cruiser. Just diesel 4.2.

May I suggest you add an 80 series 4.2 1hz to the list?

Aspirated diesel. Not much to go wrong. Bit sluggish but as reliable as a hammer. If you want more power then get one with a factory fitted turbo. Aka 1hd or 1hd ft engines. Although turbo diesel they also very strong motors. The petrol engines get about 4.5km/l so based on your opening post I would suggest you avoid.

Pros.

Very reliable.
Very capable.
Very spacious.
Spares easily available regardless of where you are.
I have read they are not too bad on consumption either.
Extremely tough.
Great resale value.

Cons.

They not cheap. Expect to pay anything up to R140k for a good condition well looked after 80 especially in diesel. Some sellers may want more especially if they have the factory fitted extras like diff locks etc.

They old vehicles. Although they are very tough they are approaching 20 years old. Regardless of the condition of the vehicle you buy it will need to be thoroughly checked out. Be patient when buying one.

I would put the 80 ahead of the hilux.

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Jurgen maintenance has to be part of the equation.

You can easily buy a second hand cheapy that will be average on fuel, then after 10k it breaks and the bill is 50k. The newer and more reliable you buy the better for the long run.

Only question is how happy are you going to be with you decision after one year?
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Jurgen daar staan 'n mooi 4.5 cruiser by Toyota
Thanks Dirk, dis net jammer mens kan nie 4.5 cruiser en ekonomies in een sin se nie.

Ek le sterk na 'n 2de handse Jimny toe op die oomblik...
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TD engines are most economical but also most unreliable.
Eish the feared Turbo Diesel !

Our family owned a 1996 D1 Tdi which I drove for the last 100 000km and we sold it on 280 000 km with no engine or turbo problems at all.

My 2004 D2 TD5 I have had since 85 000km and its now on 188 000km also with no engine for turbo problems at all.

So whats with all this negativity towards turbo diesels ?
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got to say, despite the fact that there is no such thing as an economical, reliable, cost effective 4x4...

of all the vehciles I have , my 2002 TD5 defender 110 is the cheapest in terms of maintenance.

it works every day - goes to site with 9 guys in it, usually with stuff on the roof and a trailer.

expenses - got it and did a big service, changed all the oils, and bits like o rings and seals that make for trouble, and the only issue has been a fuel pump. R1200 to replace.

oil change on time - 10 000km and thats all it needs.

consumption is around 10l/100km

it's actually so good that it almost doesn't exist!!!
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Gaan vir hom. Ekt gehoor die petrol prys gaan in elkgeval voor die einde van die jaar onder die R6 wees.
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Eish the feared Turbo Diesel !

Our family owned a 1996 D1 Tdi which I drove for the last 100 000km and we sold it on 280 000 km with no engine or turbo problems at all.

My 2004 D2 TD5 I have had since 85 000km and its now on 188 000km also with no engine for turbo problems at all.

So whats with all this negativity towards turbo diesels ?
My experience with the TD5 was a bit different.
Maintenance is the key, but they are all second hand now and the previous owner might not have serviced it properly.

Then the td5 is a big pain in the rear.
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I hate this question. I know what I want and I know what I should rather get but the heart says one thing and the head the other while Swambo just complicates things.

Too many variables, too many options, just get a J...

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Ok the criteria:

4x4
< R150k
> 10km/l
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Simple which vehicles make the grade?
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Sorry Jurgen, but IMHO this question should have been posted HERE
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A second hand Jimny fits the criteria... but I want to know if there are others (bigger) vehicles that fit it too...
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Hi Jurgen

I am sitting with the same decision.
http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/...d.php?t=143725
Except my criteria differs in that my budget is R50k


I'm leaning towards a 93-98 Colt Rodeo V6 D/C

Out of interest sake: what consumption do you get with your Disco's?
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There are some Jimny deals floating around Gumtree:

In pe
http://www.gumtree.co.za/cp-cars-in-...imny-458097393

cheaper, but imported
http://www.gumtree.co.za/cp-cars-in-...sale-463825637
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Both manual and auto D1's give/gave me around 5km/l in town and 6km/l open road if I drive nicely.

Thanks for the links.
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Jeep WJ V8.

Why?

At R2.60 per kilo(gas only) it's as economical as, let's say, a bottle of Jameson @ R250.

Nothing has broken so far which I didn't screw up= Reliable.

Saved around R25k on labour costs already(in only 10 months), got it mint and under 100k km's for cheaper than any 300k km's Japper around. = Cost effective!

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got to say, despite the fact that there is no such thing as an economical, reliable, cost effective 4x4...

of all the vehciles I have , my 2002 TD5 defender 110 is the cheapest in terms of maintenance.

it works every day - goes to site with 9 guys in it, usually with stuff on the roof and a trailer.

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oil change on time - 10 000km and thats all it needs.

consumption is around 10l/100km

it's actually so good that it almost doesn't exist!!!

Mileage on your Defender now?
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Ek is n groentjie wat Cruisers betref maar oorweeg n Diesel vroee 2000's model (stasiewa of dubbelcab).

Hoe lyk die diesel verbruik op die verskillende diesel engines wat beskikbaar is vir daai tydperk en wat se raad kan julle gee vir voornemende kopers in daai kategorie?
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The most economical and reliable 4x4, mmmmmmm.......... that is the question!

I have found that it is, without doubt, one that belongs to someone else who invites you to that once or twice a year 4x4 event and asks that you merely contribute to the fuel costs.
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