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Old 25-10-12, 08:55 AM
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Post 2.5 TD into a Series Landrover?


How feasible would the following engines conversions be into a Series 3 88" Landrover?

  • Ford 2.5 turbo diesel motor
  • Ford 2.5 diesel motor
  • Hyundai 2.5 turbo diesel motor
  • Hyundai diesel motor


Looking at engine importer prices these engines sell for roughly R14,000.


Our company has a 1998 Hyundai bakkie with the 2.5 dt motor.
It's only done 125,000km. The body is rusting a bit though. I like the motor and it gives 10.5 Litres per 100 km.


Looking on http://www.giloeng.com/adapterparts.htm i don't see any adapters for either engines.




Are there cheaper engines available in similar configuration?


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Old 25-10-12, 09:32 AM
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The 2.5 diesel Mazda will be nice in a Series, the Nissan 2.5 or 2.7 diesels will also work, don't know their prices though! I had a Series 2 SWB with a 2.2 Toyota L series engine (2.4D is the 2L series) Was fast enough and economical, but the Toyota L series is very expensive.

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It would be nice to have a TURBO engine, but logic tells me simpler would be better.

I think a 4 cylinder would be an appropriate size.

Perhaps a Nissan 3.2 diesel 4 cylinder?

Are the nissan 2.5/2.7 4 cylinder?

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You will not find any simpler than the Ford 2.5TD WL engine.

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If you can do it, the 2.5 TD of the Ford/Mazda is as simple as you can get these days. Good reputation to be very reliable and relative cheap to work on.

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Would the turbo not add complications?
In terms of another component to potentially break?
I am not sure on the power specs of each engine.

I currently have a Ford V6 in the 88".
The power is great.
But...but, i initally guesstimated my consumption @ 15 l/100km then after driving a bit more i've worked out ++- 25 l/100km!

That's a bit much

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The Ford 2.5 diesel battles to pull its own shadow....if slow! I drove one for many kilometers and you don'g go anywhere in any hurry. I had to make it work to get it to 120km/h, but it was an ok cruising speed and 140km/h was about all I could get on a very steep down hill with lots of wind from behind. now add a heavier body and that may become much slower....Consumption wasn't to bad and its easy and cheap to work on!

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i still suggest checking outthe donkey isuzu nonturbo engine. get an older one around 2000 b4 they did the egr mods. i drove a 2000 isuzu 250 bakkie doing deliveries for company i work for. 75l tank and i could get 1050 and be sitting at 74l used. isuzu are the most effecient diesel on the market. one i drove had 330000 when boss got rid of it. it used 0 oil didn't smoke. engine started first try everytime.


btw you can't locate an old 300tdi motor or an older 200 diesel landy motor?

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Land rover TDI motor's are pricey: +- R25,000!

I received a quote from ibrahim engine importers:


FORD RANGER 2.5TD R15500.00+VAT

HYUNDAI 2.5TD R12500.00+VAT

NISSAN TD27T 18500.00+VAT

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Their pricier than I thought

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Yes, I agree the Isuzu 250d motor is great. Noisy but reliable, economical.
In the back of the speed n sound,
Tv2 engine and gearbox specialists
Isuzu 280 dt R19500
Landrover 300 TDI R19500
Mazda 2.5td wl R12400

Then I still need to factor in transport.

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on gumtree is a guy with a isuzu 2.5 bakkie he is converting to a tow truck but ran out of money on project for R9000. if engine runs u have one for 9000.
here is engine in capetown for 12500
http://capetown-westerncape.gumtree....AdIdZ410818790

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That's still a bunch of money!
Ideally, I would buy a running, deregistered bakkie and remove engine and sell leftovers.

Where's the R9000 project?

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The Ford 2.5 diesel battles to pull its own shadow....if slow! I drove one for many kilometers and you don'g go anywhere in any hurry. I had to make it work to get it to 120km/h, but it was an ok cruising speed and 140km/h was about all I could get on a very steep down hill with lots of wind from behind. now add a heavier body and that may become much slower....Consumption wasn't to bad and its easy and cheap to work on!
I beg to differ... My dad's 1997 magnum 2.5TDI pulls double lines from any stop... I have to add that the previous engine, which he lost due to a failed water pipe, was not nearly as powerfull, although still a great runner. 180kph in a jiffy.

You might have had a dud or something was not set right.

The Iveco 2.5tdi busses run the same engine. It is actually a fiat engine if i have all my ducks in a row.

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You sure you wanna put Turbo power through that old 2.25 running gear?
Why not a Rover v8?

Are you doing it purely for fuel consumption?

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A friend of mine put one of those Ford 2.5 Tdi's in his series and he is very happy with it. He also had a V6 Ford in his before.

Then when his Isuzu popped it's second engine, he put a 2.5 Ford in that as well and no problems two years later.
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Do some serious homework before doing a conversion. Don't only look at the cost of the motor. The modifications needed on bellhousing ect can be a lot different for different motors.
As far as I know the 2.5 TD motor is not light on fuel at all.
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The main reason would be for fuel consumption.
I think the consumption on the Ford 2.5 TD is +- 12 litres per 100 km.

The V6 is +- 25 litres per 100 km.

Hey Zantus, Are you still in touch with the friend with the 2.5 TD in the series?
I would like to find out some info from him.

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The Ford 2.5 diesel battles to pull its own shadow....if slow! I drove one for many kilometers and you don'g go anywhere in any hurry. I had to make it work to get it to 120km/h, but it was an ok cruising speed and 140km/h was about all I could get on a very steep down hill with lots of wind from behind. now add a heavier body and that may become much slower....Consumption wasn't to bad and its easy and cheap to work on!
Yes its true but the Series is geared to top out at about 100km/h with a diesel engine, the 2.5D mazda have the about the same power as the 2.25 petrol, which is enough for a SWB, fuel consumption will be about 10km/l I guess. The 2.5TD will be nice but the torque may be too much for the gearbox and diff, if something blows it won't be too expensive, but its a big job to remove the gearbox as many owners will know!

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Kgopa, Are you saying a 2.5 diesel, non turbo would be better?

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I agree with Jedi, the Izuzu 250 Diesel would be ideal with no turbo and very basic and economical.

But hey I'm just an IT guy

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Kgopa, Are you saying a 2.5 diesel, non turbo would be better?
For me the 2.5D will be nice, but I only use the Landy on weekends etc. But for you the turbo might be better, as long as you are gentle with the gbox, if you want an higher cruising speed you can fit Range Rover diff centres, that plus the TD will work well for long distance driving

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Sorry i stumbled on the isuzu project and can't find it anywhere....

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I agree with Jedi, the Izuzu 250 Diesel would be ideal with no turbo and very basic and economical.

But hey I'm just an IT guy
Agreed the 2.5 isuzu motors are more economical... They also last forever and are simple.

I would still go for the ford motor and just drive it a bit easier.

Hey my dad's Magnum has approx 480,000 km on the clock on the second engine. First one did ~300,000k. The drivetrain is stil ok, but the body is showing it...


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The Isuzu may be the better engine, but I know they are very expensive at the importers!

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It seems like an old Isuzu Kb 250d is available for around R20,000.
I think a drifter or ranger with a 2.5 td would be more difficult to find at that price range.

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What would the the easier engine conversion be?
Isuzu or ford?

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That is a good question. I wish that the guys that have done the conversions would start a thread on exactly what is needed for each of the different options. Availabiliy of parts. Costs etc.

The best option can then become sort of standard, with one person making up the adaptors, engine mounts and so forth.
Gilo's hardly cover any of the wanted conversions and all it takes is one person to do a convert, do an accurate drawing then basically any engineering shop will produce the part.

Lets face it, the price of fuel is becoming rediculous. Cost of spares for some of the Rover parts it downright crazy.

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Why not just go for the Ford TD motor, but use the FORD gearbox as well. Then there will be minimum of problems with clutches and the like.

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Henris, I assume then I would need an adapter between the ford box and rover transfer case?

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No. Use the 4x4 gearbox and t/case...

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Ford engine, gearbox and transfer case?
Rover diffs?


Another price from IBHAYI engine importers,
ISUZU 2.5 R16500.00

ISUZU 2.8 R 19500.00

Even more!

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are the difs the same between rover and ford? the transfercase and dif might not line up. if not a member you should join http://landrovernet.com/ and see what coinversions they have done and inqure on build pages might be some.

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are the difs the same between rover and ford? the transfercase and dif might not line up. if not a member you should join http://landrovernet.com/ and see what coinversions they have done and inqure on build pages might be some.
Yes that's the problem, the Ford's back prop is in the centre, not on the side. Otherwise you must change the diff ratio first with the v6 and see if consumption improves, I had a Series 2A with Rangy diff and a 4.1 Chev, could easily cruiise at 110km/h and cons. Was 6.5km/l

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Well, then make an adapter that mates the LR t/case to the Ford g/box.

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i would stick to a standard conversion. i have seen nissan and toyota diesel conversions and other here have seen ford.
here is a guy stripping a tdi disco, supposedly the engine still available. if your going to spend close to 20000 i would stick to land rover. see what the tdi would cost
http://johannesburg.gumtree.co.za/c-...AdIdZ425175543

here is a wrecked tdi defender for 25000 buy it and strip engine is visible in pic
http://johannesburg.gumtree.co.za/c-...AdIdZ424075780

here is a disco for R25000 again see what engine it has, buy and strip
http://johannesburg.gumtree.co.za/c-...AdIdZ424049791

spend the 25000 on the defender or disco, and u can get better gearbox to go with engine, plus axles for 4 wheel disc brakes.

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I have heard that the option of changing the diff centres to Range Rover units is an easy task to accomplish.

It raises the gear ratio, so low & high range will be "higher". This would be good for highway speed & of course fuel consumption.

I read this http://www.landyonline.co.za/techtal...ferentials.htm

It says:
"Ratios:
4.7:1 All leaf sprung vehicles
3.54:1 All coil sprung vehicles"


Here's a nice list of specs:
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I googled a bit: it seems that installing RR diffs in Series has 2 camps (like anything else) either great, do it or terrible don't do it.

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just remember there is always a compromise. if you change gears u may gain fuel economy on road, question is how much of a loss is there offroad.

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With the Chev 4.1 it had enough torque to go anywhere with the 3.54 diffs, I think most negative comments are when the 2.25 petrol is used with the RR diffs, then an overdrive will be better, think the Ford will have enough power, if you fit the TD later on you will need the RR diffs anyway to make the conversion worthwhile.

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Well now i'm leaning towards changing the diffs.

If i change the engine then i need to cut & weld on to the galvanized chassis. Potential for rust.

Also, i'll need to go for police clearance on the different engine. Then reregister it. More costs & time consuming.

However, if i change the diffs, there is none of the above. I also assume it's easily reversible

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I bought an overdrive

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OK, I scanned thru this thread so forgive me if I missed something.....

Best available engines:

- Ford WL25 2.5 TDi (you don't need to intercool, the Series doesn't need all the power)
The problem here is that no adapter plates are available for that to attach to a LR gearbox. You'll have to talk to ChrisMod or Fana van Zyl.

- Isuzu 2.8 (4JB1T) or 3.1 (4JB2T): firstly direct inject, secondly indirect inject (combustion chambers in head): M&D engineering in the UK offers a complete kit with adapter, spigot bearing, clutch activation arm, and even chassis mounting adapters.

- Nissan TD27T3 (out of the Terrano I): brilliant engine, runs on ANYTHING. Adapter available from Gilo Engineering in JHB.

All of the above are mechanical injector pumps, so NO problems with ECU: take the POS+ feed off the coil and plug it into the diesel solenoid cut-off switch and Bob's your Aunt.

All spares available for these engines. All of them will run on WVO or even used engine oil at a pinch, but the Nissan is a great little engine.

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Hey jelo,

Thanks for the info

I know you like the Nissan 2.7

Now what about pricing?

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Hey jelo,

Thanks for the info

I know you like the Nissan 2.7

Now what about pricing?
If I had to make the choice I'd go Isuzu for a Defender......

Talk to Paul at Engines And More in Harties, he will courier nation-wide and his engines are bench-started and run for an hour before they are shipped.

www.enginesandmore.co.za

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I have a Mazda/Ford WL 2.5 Turbo in a 110. It just works on the farm, but is a fine combination. Far better than Nissan LD 2.8 and Toyota C3. You may have to have the bellhousing modified rather than just an adaptor plate, as the flywheel is larger than the 110 (and I believe a series). let me know if you need any advice / help.
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Hi, I have aToyota 2,4 diesel in a series 11. It is a good solid motor,not to fast-can sit at 100km\h.Fuel con.is between 7.5-8 km\l. Just remember that you must be able to stop your landie.YOu can get the adapter plate from Gillo eng.
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Hi, I have aToyota 2,4 diesel in a series 11. It is a good solid motor,not to fast-can sit at 100km\h.Fuel con.is between 7.5-8 km\l. Just remember that you must be able to stop your landie.YOu can get the adapter plate from Gillo eng.
That sounds like an option

Something I have noticed, it would be ideal if the 4 cylinder engines exhaust could run on the drivers side of the engine bay.

There is more room for the manifold as the gearbox is offset to the passenger side.

How much does a Toyota 2.4 or 2.8 diesel cost?

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Julien here is one running with papers for R11000 in gautang
http://www.gumtree.co.za/cp-replacem...-2-4-504327547

here is one in capetown for R5000
http://www.gumtree.co.za/cp-bakkies-...sale-512220773

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And I see gilo has adapter parts for the 2.4 to Landy 4 cylinder
http://www.giloeng.co.za/adapterparts.htm

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The exhaust is on the driver side in the hilux 2.4.Made the air filter to fit next to the rh fender,above steering arm.
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The exhaust is on the driver side in the hilux 2.4.Made the air filter to fit next to the rh fender,above steering arm.

Any pictures?

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