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Old 12-01-13, 05:54 PM
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My son and I took a walk along the coast today and found a message in a bottle.

The message reads:

Hello to whoever finds this. I have never done this before so am not sure of the result. Hopefully this bottle remains intact and travels several thousand miles to distant shores.

My name is Darren White. I am the captain of the South African Submarine "SAS CHARLOTTE MAXEKE". We are in transit back to South Africa from exercises in Argentina and Uraguay. This battle was ditched in position 40'00'S 008'55.7W.
My email address is ------------ and ------------.


The blue print of the email address did not last so I do not have a contact for Darren. I'm sure he would like his bottle back! Anyone with contacts in the navy?

Weird thing is that the drop off position is midway between South America and Africa, and the bottle lands up about 30 km from home base (Simonstown). What are the odds

I can only make out a ball point date of something of the 11/2010.
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The odds are very good.You found it.When you find him give him a good klap for littering

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Who would have thought. I think it must have a homing instinct.
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Wow...... the steps "Heineken" Meyer will go to to spy on the Argentina training camp.

Contact the base and ask for Captain Darren White and see if he exists.

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Googled Captain Darren White and he does indeed exist. Contact the base, see if he's around. Would be interesting to see what he says.
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Wonder if someone else picked it up first and dropped it in the vegetation? Couldn't have floated up there?

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What I was even more happy to find, was exactly how high up the bottle had washed up.

I was actually doing a recce on houses that have been illegally built along remote areas of our coastline (with very little reaction form the authorities). These homeowners have become extremely hostile towards divers and fishermen that use our coastline, claiming that they own the land in front of their houses down to an absurdly low "high water" mark.

They have erected fences, signboards, placed huge rocks in traditional parking places, all in an attempt to block access to the sea. I am preparing a document of evidence I will be submitting to the local authorities, who have clearly ignored their duties in terms of the Intergrated Coastal Management Act of 2008.

So this message in the bottle is bigger than Darren imagined, because it clearly shows a high water mark much higher than the edge of the vegetation.
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I'm going to be the pessimist here....sorry...

Judging by the condition of the cork, I think it's a hoax. Two years in salt water should have eroded most of the cork, I think.

The coordinates are in mid-Atlantic too, which would probably mean the bottle would have been caught in the Benguela current and gone up the west coast, hundreds of miles off shore.

Lastly, the SAS Charlotte Maxeke is a submarine. Unless she was running on the surface, or fired the bottle out of a torpedo tube, I think this is strike three...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAS_Cha...eke_%28S102%29

The one thing I did find while Googling "commander of SAS charlotte maxeke in 2010" was the following article which shows OC Darren White giving some pommie admiral a tour of the Charlotte...

http://www.navy.mil.za/archive/1103/...it/article.htm

Another article I found showed the Charlotte in exercises with Argentina from 1 November 2010, and that she would be returning from sea to Mar Del Plata (Argentina) on the 4th November. It doesn't state when she left Mar Del Plata to come home.

http://www.navy.mil.za/archive/1010/...no/article.htm

The only thing that will convince me that it's genuine is confirmation from the boat skipper himself...

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The cork is fairly weathered relative to the piece in the bottle. Also, I don't recognise the (partial) brand on the cork as one of the local wine estates.

This thought also crossed my mind, but why chose a naval submarine (and the Captain nogal) and place the bottle in such a remote area? It has two contact emails (but the blue has faded beyond readability) and his force number, so he appears to want to be contacted about this bottle.

It sure would be unbelievable if this were all true. Time will tell.

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Very cool, please let us know what Capt. White has to say if you are able to contact him

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Heinz, I placed a link to this on the Military Academy Facebook page. Maybe someone there may know how to get in contact.
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When we did our first big trip for 7 month in 2009,
we threw a lot of bottles with prepared cards
into every water we could find,
from the fountain of Zambezi
(OK a few kms behind)
up to Rovuma River, down lake Malawi...

All together it was 30 bottles.

Only one arrived, but we were very happy to get her.

Tho bottle was landing only 30 kms from the place we threw it,
but almost a year later.

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Kinnie, Thanks. I'm going to forward this to the Naval News magazine in Simonstown as well.

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can just imagine if they are the finest No7... gonna have a drinking problem in Moz....

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I'm going to be the pessimist here....sorry...

Judging by the condition of the cork, I think it's a hoax. Two years in salt water should have eroded most of the cork, I think.
Strike 1. I have personally found wine bottles diving in a shipwreck dated over 100 years old off our coast. Cork perfectly intact. Check maritime museum.

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Strike 2 mid Atlantic and Benguela current are not the same. The Benguela's reach, even in seasons of extreme upwelling is probably no more than 1500km (when still considered a current). Not exactly mid atlantic, is it?

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Say what? A submarine is not allowed to surface? I've seen photos from this very same submarine with the crew having a braai on deck in the middle of the Atlantic. That's your strike 3.

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I'm going to be the pessimist here....sorry...

Judging by the condition of the cork, I think it's a hoax. Two years in salt water should have eroded most of the cork, I think.

The coordinates are in mid-Atlantic too, which would probably mean the bottle would have been caught in the Benguela current and gone up the west coast, hundreds of miles off shore.

Lastly, the SAS Charlotte Maxeke is a submarine. Unless she was running on the surface, or fired the bottle out of a torpedo tube, I think this is strike three...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAS_Cha...eke_%28S102%29

The one thing I did find while Googling "commander of SAS charlotte maxeke in 2010" was the following article which shows OC Darren White giving some pommie admiral a tour of the Charlotte...

http://www.navy.mil.za/archive/1103/...it/article.htm

Another article I found showed the Charlotte in exercises with Argentina from 1 November 2010, and that she would be returning from sea to Mar Del Plata (Argentina) on the 4th November. It doesn't state when she left Mar Del Plata to come home.

http://www.navy.mil.za/archive/1010/...no/article.htm

The only thing that will convince me that it's genuine is confirmation from the boat skipper himself...
Let me guess. You have never spent time at sea in a submarine.

I have, lots. I am an official SAN Honoury submariner.

In transit, how much time do you think a sub spends on the surface, snorkeling, or submerged.

When she dives, is there a lot of red flashing lights, klakstons sounding and mayhem, or does she simply and graciously just submerge?

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Let me guess. You have never spent time at sea in a submarine.

I have, lots. I am an official SAN Honoury submariner.

In transit, how much time do you think a sub spends on the surface, snorkeling, or submerged.

When she dives, is there a lot of red flashing lights, klakstons sounding and mayhem, or does she simply and graciously just submerge?
Well if you go by the serviceability of the SANDF equipment and funds,our subs will spent more time on the surface than down there.

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Adam thank you, I have been PM'd his mobile number. Will call him tomorrow. I'll post the upshot tomorrow afternoon. Going for a dive in the morning.
In a submarine.

If you meet him, ask him. Pretty sure he can arrange it.

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Fluffy, if there were a remote possibility, I'd leave this for my son. I'm a bit of a scaredy cat for things that lock shut around me when I don't have the keys!
Well for starters you better hope they lock things shut

Myth #1 it is not claustrophobic.

If you get the chance. Grab it.

If you hear the words "DIVE DIVE" over a loudhailer, you are in a movie or dreaming.

It is a serine and lovely experience.

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You could also be a Black Cap facing some of today's ballistic deliveries Ouch, there's some sore ribs in PE tonight.

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You could also be a Black Cap facing some of today's ballistic deliveries Ouch, there's some sore ribs in PE tonight.
Heinz, give me a call Sunday (I think you have my cell, or I'll call you) and we will follow this up. Judging by your pix, you found it on the section of coast between Pringle and the Hangklip Hotel. The house on the rocks belongs to the Mudge family and has been there since the 1960s. The highwater mark on that section is fairly nebulous because of the rocky nature of the coastline. I've dived it since I was a kid and the best way to approach it is to walk in from the Maasbaai/Moonlight Bay side, nobody will give you grief from that end, unless you're a poacher, in which case there may be some birdshot coming your way!
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Heinz, give me a call Sunday (I think you have my cell, or I'll call you) and we will follow this up. Judging by your pix, you found it on the section of coast between Pringle and the Hangklip Hotel. The house on the rocks belongs to the Mudge family and has been there since the 1960s. The highwater mark on that section is fairly nebulous because of the rocky nature of the coastline. I've dived it since I was a kid and the best way to approach it is to walk in from the Maasbaai/Moonlight Bay side, nobody will give you grief from that end, unless you're a poacher, in which case there may be some birdshot coming your way!
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NO we started at the Zambezi and dropped one in every river,
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NO we started at the Zambezi and dropped one in every river,
lake we came through, also into the sea....

ALONG the route ...
I still remember ( after picking up my 4 year old with blood dripping from her foot and a piece of glass sticking out from walking through a swallow river in a secluded area where there are never anyone) swearing at the idiots leaving glass bottles around.... Now I have to find out "people" throw it on purpous, by the dozens, into rivers (And lakes?) to float somewhere else to polute.... And break and cut animals and other people......

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NO we started at the Zambezi and dropped one in every river,
lake we came through, also into the sea....

ALONG the route ...
That's a stupid thing to do.


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When we did our first big trip for 7 month in 2009,
we threw a lot of bottles with prepared cards
into every water we could find,
from the fountain of Zambezi
(OK a few kms behind)
up to Rovuma River, down lake Malawi...

All together it was 30 bottles.

Only one arrived, but we were very happy to get her.

Tho bottle was landing only 30 kms from the place we threw it,
but almost a year later.

Im sure you will find out what happened!
With reference to my previous post:

"we threw a lot of bottles.... Into every water we could find"
"all together 30 bottles"
"only one arrive".

Please tell me how you can justify this? Even worse, that was your "first big trip" in 2009, if you continued with this, you must have poluted hundreds of rivers now? Or, what if you told your customers renting offroad trailers from you about this, and they've also been doing this!!! Do you actually advocate any kind of nature conservation at all?

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The odds are very good.You found it.When you find him give him a good klap for littering
And getting pissed on the job........no wonder our subs are in the dry docks.......so are the captains!!!!!

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So, I called the number and spoke to his wife this morning who said he was very exicted to hear from me. Equally he is diving this morning (I've called a bit late), and I'm leaving now for my dive. So I'll post a little later again.

But the story appears to be true. His wife said she cannot believe the bottle followed him home!!!

As I said, what are the chances??

Tony, you're correct about the position. That house now belongs to a Keith Foster. Not sure of the spelling.

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Interesting story !

Maybe the bottle got towed behind in the wake of the submarine

Somewhere here is a lesson perhaps - ok this bottle was intended to be found and picked up, but i mean it just shows those guys (and by definition they would not belong to this forum) that litter that the stuff doesn't just "evaporate" - it can be around for a long time and become someone else's problem on the other side of the world.

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So, I called the number and spoke to his wife this morning who said he was very exicted to hear from me. Equally he is diving this morning (I've called a bit late), and I'm leaving now for my dive. So I'll post a little later again.

But the story appears to be true. His wife said she cannot believe the bottle followed him home!!!

As I said, what are the chances??

Tony, you're correct about the position. That house now belongs to a Keith Foster. Not sure of the spelling.
Very cool Heinz.

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it just shows those guys (and by definition they would not belong to this forum) that litter that the stuff doesn't just "evaporate" - it can be around for a long time and become someone else's problem on the other side of the world.
"and by definition they would not belong to this forum" - dont be so sure, they are here... They even brag on this forum, actually on this thread about throwing 30 bottles in water on one trip!!!

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Thrown a few bottles over in my time at sea too....
For all those on their high horses... get over yourselves!
Those few bottles a) mostly never make it to shore and b) are an insignificant portion of the flotsam washed up on beaches (most of which originates from the shore and not vessels at sea).

It is generally considered that the majority of marine debris (~ 80%) is due to land-based pollution – primarily littering from shore and beach recreation and from storm-water discharges and combined sewer overflows. The remainder (~ 20%) is composed mainly of fishing-related debris – e.g., lines and nets, strapping bands – and garbage jettisoned or lost from ships and boats.
It is estimated that somewhere between 60 and 80% of marine debris is made up of plastic, and that plastic is accumulating in the oceans because of its ongoing use and disposable nature, and longevity.

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Thrown a few bottles over in my time at sea too....
For all those on their high horses... get over yourselves!
Those few bottles a) mostly never make it to shore and b) are an insignificant portion of the flotsam washed up on beaches (most of which originates from the shore and not vessels at sea).

It is generally considered that the majority of marine debris (~ 80%) is due to land-based pollution – primarily littering from shore and beach recreation and from storm-water discharges and combined sewer overflows. The remainder (~ 20%) is composed mainly of fishing-related debris – e.g., lines and nets, strapping bands – and garbage jettisoned or lost from ships and boats.
It is estimated that somewhere between 60 and 80% of marine debris is made up of plastic, and that plastic is accumulating in the oceans because of its ongoing use and disposable nature, and longevity.
I hope you cut open your foot with glass so that you know what we talk about.


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Unbelievable story!! I also know 2 x navy officers, I going to forward them this link. to here there reaction and perhaps they know the skipper/writer/bottle thrower.

Shows you how small the wold is....... even without internet.

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A ski boat lost by a friend in Australia ended up in Moz. AND was seen by myself. Explain this please.

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Glass on a beach is not good and it sucks that your daughter suffered the consequences but.... To wish it upon someone? Come now....

Do you really think that that glass came from a bottle dropped at sea? Chances are something like 1000000:1!
More like someone driving along the beach dumped it there or it came down the river.

It has only now, as of 01 January 2013, been prohibited to dump garbage from ship at sea (Marpol Annex V)

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