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    Hi all you Mitsubishi fans,

    I might soon be in the market for a Pajero but need your help.

    I am looking for a Gen 2 model.

    Due to the age and high milage of the models I am looking at I don't want to buy diesel. Thinking petrol would be a safer option. Unless I've got it wrong.

    So I'm considering a 3.5 LWB. Apprently the SOHC is better and simpler to work on than the DOHC. Not sure if you get 3.5 SOHC models in SA. I know the 3.0 are but for about the same consumption it might be better to go for the 3.5.

    Should I be scared to buy something with over 200K on the clock.
    It is just that they go for really cheap which means I will have some in the bank in the event of a breakdown.

    I saw a 2.8TDi with difflock. Does all the Gen 2 have difflock?

    Your input on my above statements and other comments please?

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    Personally I would go for a petrol model. No, not all models come with the diff-lock. You do get a 24V DOHC 3L (130kw), it is a bit of a pain to work on (you have to remove the intake to change plugs etc unless you have a special tool, same on the 3.5 models) and scarce. Most of the 3L are the 12V SOHC model (104kw), which are great engines. You get the 3.5 GDI DOHC but it is not much loved (even though it has around 170 odd kw) due to high maintenance costs. You do as mentioned get the 3.5 SOHC, but most are the 3.5DOHC(150kw).My first choice would be (and was) a 3L SOHC, followed by a 3.5 SOHC and then the 3.5 DOHC (non-GDI)


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    then you get the Pajero Evo which has the 3.5 MIVEC DOHC which gives you about 195kw, yes, I WANT ONE!
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    For what it's worth, you can get reconditioned diesel Pajero/Colt engines with 50.000km guarantee for around R25000. If you want to go the diesel way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AboutAfricaAdventures View Post
    My first choice would be (and was) a 3L SOHC, followed by a 3.5 SOHC and then the 3.5 DOHC (non-GDI)
    Thanks for that - but are the 3L not a bit flou? I mean 104kw is nothing to write home about. Scared that moving from my current 132kw 245nm to that would be down-sizing too much. How do the 3L tow?

    Did the difflock appear in certain year models then or models?
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    Pierre,

    I assume you are looking at a LWB.
    The most commonly found Gen2 Pajeros are the following:

    All diesels have the 2.8tdi motor. Very renown for cracking heads in the Colts, but very reliable and loved in the Pajeros.

    The petrol motor before about 1996 is the 3.0V6 12valve. From 1996 - 1998 is the Gen2 3.5V6 twincam 24valve motors. From 1998 - 2000 is the Gen2.5 "Blister Fender" with the same 3.5V6 twincam motor.

    As mentioned, the sparkplugs are hidden behind the manifold. BUT todays sparkplugs can last forever. My car is now 80 000km old and still on the original plugs. Those twincam motors also tend to have noisy lifters ("tappets"), but can mostly be cured with the correct engine oil.

    Some models have difflock and some not. My '94 didn't and then the '98 had difflock, cruise control and the front seats had their own suspension.

    All those Pajeros were wonderful cars and if you can find a nice one you will really enjoy the experience.

    Good hunting,
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    Thanks for that and I will keep your notes on hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pierre View Post
    Thanks for that - but are the 3L not a bit flou? I mean 104kw is nothing to write home about. Scared that moving from my current 132kw 245nm to that would be down-sizing too much. How do the 3L tow?

    Did the difflock appear in certain year models then or models?
    Difflock was certain models. The 3L is no race car, but doesnt feel as lazy as you would think. I went for the 3L as I wanted something I can work on myself if need be (I often go to remote places). I have the SWB, so it does feel a bit more lively than the LWB, also mine is not standard.

    Honestly can not answer question regarding the towing as I have only ever towed with mine and also only after doing the mods. I have towed 9m trailers with a bakkie on and no probs.
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    Pierre,

    Not sure where you plan to draw the line as far as price goes, but if you can squeeze in a Gen3 3.2DiD you will not be sorry.

    Roelf
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    Funny you should mention that. There is a nice one on Gumtree for R125K but it is a private sale which means I will have to hope it is still there by the time I get to sell my X-trail...
    Also saw a 2.8D "import spec" with only 133K on the clock selling for 89K. Not sure what to think about it.

    Also - a 3L I went to look at last week had crawler gears as standard. Is that a good thing?
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    Standard with Crawler gears? Never heard of that. Manual or Auto?
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    Auto.

    I said it is "standard" because it sure did not look like an aftermarket product.
    On the small gear lever there were about 6 options (very confusing) with stuff like:
    2Lc ,4Lc, etc. Can't remeber all the options.
    The Seller told me the little 'c' stands for crawler gears.
    Cur: 2000 Toyota Hilux 2700i 4X2 (Missing V6 power)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pierre View Post
    Auto.

    I said it is "standard" because it sure did not look like an aftermarket product.
    On the small gear lever there were about 6 options (very confusing) with stuff like:
    2Lc ,4Lc, etc. Can't remeber all the options.
    The Seller told me the little 'c' stands for crawler gears.
    Ok, makes sense, the seller is a nut.

    Not crawler gears. 4 options. 2H, 4H, 4hlc, 4llc

    2h - 2 wheel drive
    4h - all wheel drive
    4hlc - 4 wheel drive high range with central diff locked
    4llc - 4 wheel drive low range with central diff locked

    check out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Select and http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/cor...nce/e/4wd.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pierre View Post
    Auto.

    I said it is "standard" because it sure did not look like an aftermarket product.
    On the small gear lever there were about 6 options (very confusing) with stuff like:
    2Lc ,4Lc, etc. Can't remeber all the options.
    The Seller told me the little 'c' stands for crawler gears.
    The "c" must be read in conjunction wit the "L", i.e. Lc = Meaning "locked".

    2H = 2wd high range
    4H = 4WD high range, centre diff open
    4HLc = 4 WD, high range, centre diff locked
    N= Neutral
    4LLc = 4 WD, low range, centre diff locked

    Crawler gears does not exist in normal Mitsu-language.

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    Hahaha - silly me. I was used to my old Rangie which had a viscous coupling for the centre diff so it would be permanent 4x4. So my little lever never had any 'c' on them. Only L and H range. Plain & simple.

    Still sure there were more than 4 option but I could be wrong on that too
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    Just to clarify in case of confusion. ALL Pajero's came out with Centre Diff Lock. The REAR Diff Lock were only fitted to certain models and the Gen2 (not the Gen2.5) was not among them in SA (they were fitted with LSD). In fact the hunt for a Gen2.5 rear axle is a common pastime with Gen2 owners.
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    Hi Pierre
    what is your price bracket?

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    say 85 for a Gen2 and 120 for a Gen3
    Cur: 2000 Toyota Hilux 2700i 4X2 (Missing V6 power)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pierre View Post
    say 85 for a Gen2 and 120 for a Gen3
    Take your time a look around.
    I found a Gen3 3.2DiD 2001 Manual for R119000 6 months ago
    Its only funny until someone gets hurt.
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    Pierre,

    Your secret is out. You have been seen on the Toyota site looking at Prados.

    Relax, anybody that is in the Pajero category market and doesn't consider a Prado isn't doing his homework.

    You have already been advised to stay away from the Kzte diesel motor - good advice. I was driving a 3.0 V6 Pajero Gen2, when the first Prados hit the showroom floor. I had a look and the salesman was embarrased when I showed him how blatantly Toyota copied the Pajero. The Gen3 Pajero took a major step forward with body (going away from a ladder frame chassis)and bringing in independent suspension all-round. The class leading 3.2DiD at the time has now progressed to becoming known as the most reliable turbo diesel to be found in a SUV.

    The 3.4V6 Prado 90 is a VERY good car.
    You will find that the Toyota badge is a VERY expensive badge.
    Follow your heart and common sense (and wallet) and please keep us posted. The Pajero guys are not brand bashers - we don't have to be. We have quietly arrived at where we are comfortable in our knowledge that the rest are trying to catch up with us.
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    Hi Roelf, no problem
    Hosestly - I am a Land Rover fan - lots of character but not reliable as a everyday car
    In the same way I am not a Toyota fan, but I have to think with my head and not my heart.
    Having said all that - I went to test drive a Pajero 3.5 yesterday - very powerful indeed but the condition inside and outside was not that nice.
    This morning I went to test 3 cars: 2 X Prados (both 3.4 V6) - good built quality, but gosh they are sluggish! Must be the big body. And they told me the Diesel is underpowered!!
    Anyway - sure I will get used to it.
    3rd one was a 3.2DiD with 290K on the clock. Nice, but lots of things that can potencially go wrong. I didn't like it. Just too fancy.
    Thing is - I am really looking for an old 3.5 Pajero but they hard to come by in Durban area and the few I saw so far looks shot.
    I might have to go to JHB to get one, but that is also a mission...
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