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    Default Re: Is this enough grease????

    Bought an old horsebox and started stripping and replacing wheel bearings.

    Grease contamination looks like this.




    Nice WB grease in the middle and back bearing. Nice red MS grease in the front. Typical pull the cap fill it with grease scenario.

    This the result and no itís not rust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robzero View Post
    Donít over fill the hub with grease, as long as the bearing is packed with grease and not overfilled, the grease is able to heat up and liquify, thus lubricating the bearing.
    The overfilling of grease in the hub does not allow the grease to become a liquid, and the bearing cannot run freely and can overheat and fail.

    Bearing brands and quality are also something to think about.

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    Timken, FAG, Skf, NTN, NSK, Koyo, nachi, snr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsu Fan View Post
    Oh dear! I bought Burquip International. From a franchise caravan dealer.
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    Bearings are marked with supplier details. Often the bearings in the kit will be NSK or Timken in my experience

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickPrado View Post
    Bought an old horsebox and started stripping and replacing wheel bearings.

    Grease contamination looks like this.




    Nice WB grease in the middle and back bearing. Nice red MS grease in the front. Typical pull the cap fill it with grease scenario.

    This the result and no itís not rust.
    I'll put money on that that is in fact copper compound/copaslip.
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    Default Re: Is this enough grease????

    The first set of bearings that where on my Xplorer when I bought it (that were packed by the caravan agent) lasted about 5000km/11 months and started showing movement. I could have been workmanship quality, but both bearings and grease was burnt.

    I have replaced them with Koyo bearings and use a high load clay based grease instead (that we used to use on the Hi-ace taxi's ). I did the annual service in April with plenty mileage and the bearings were still perfect and grease barely discolored. We towed some horrible gravel roads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MickPrado View Post
    Bearings are marked with supplier details. Often the bearings in the kit will be NSK or Timken in my experience
    Thanks Mick. Gives me some comfort. Burquip is etched into the side of the cups. Burquip known manufacturer and supplier of axle sets. They obviously had these kits branded for themselves as a marketing kick. One would surely hope not ching chong cha manufactured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    You only need enough grease to fill the bearing. Any other grease means nothing. People that fill the whole cavity with grease and then some in the dust cap make me shudder. That's more than enough grease.

    @ Rustie. What do you mean by grease for the axle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian - SA View Post
    The first set of bearings that where on my Xplorer when I bought it (that were packed by the caravan agent) lasted about 5000km/11 months and started showing movement. I could have been workmanship quality, but both bearings and grease was burnt.

    I have replaced them with Koyo bearings and use a high load clay based grease instead (that we used to use on the Hi-ace taxi's ). I did the annual service in April with plenty mileage and the bearings were still perfect and grease barely discolored. We towed some horrible gravel roads.
    My decision to change was based on not knowing the history of the van. The van is a 2013 model bought last September. Trips carried out so far were no further than 300km each, 4 of them. All instances no excessive heat experienced when feeling the covers.

    On stripping I found one grease cap lying loose in the cover. Both Castle nuts were more that 1/4 turn loose which I felt uncomfortable with.

    Further stripping found all grease dark grey but no burning and bearings really good shape. The manufacturer brand is an absolute unknown to me and sounds like some Eastern European block country to me.

    Having gone so far I decided to do the whole lot for peace of mind. I think...

    Thank you to all for the technical input.

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    Default Re: Is this enough grease????

    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsu Fan View Post
    Thanks Mick. Gives me some comfort. Burquip is etched into the side of the cups. Burquip known manufacturer and supplier of axle sets. They obviously had these kits branded for themselves as a marketing kick. One would surely hope not ching chong cha manufactured.

    I will find out on my way to the South Coast this Friday
    To be honest,just my opinion. Bearings are made at one or.two factories. I can't see a vehicle brand,trailer etc each having their own smelting plant,moulding plant and finally manufacturing plant to produce a bearing for that particular model...hence one bearing but packaged in a different box for a different brand . Correct me.if wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MickPrado View Post
    Bought an old horsebox and started stripping and replacing wheel bearings.

    Grease contamination looks like this.




    Nice WB grease in the middle and back bearing. Nice red MS grease in the front. Typical pull the cap fill it with grease scenario.

    This the result and no itís not rust.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rolf View Post
    I'll put money on that that is in fact copper compound/copaslip.
    I think so, too. MS grease should be black.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnoK View Post
    I think so, too. MS grease should be black.
    Did not even consider copperslip you very likely correct.

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    Default Re: Is this enough grease????

    Quote Originally Posted by Francois Theron View Post
    You only need enough grease to fill the bearing. Any other grease means nothing. People that fill the whole cavity with grease and then some in the dust cap make me shudder. That's more than enough grease.
    I have heard many opinions why the cavity should not be filled, but none have ever made sense. Please explain.

    PS I agree filling the dustcap does not make sense.
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    Default Re: Is this enough grease????

    I only use Castrol BNS grease for bearings.

    The packets that come with new bearings I put in a draw for when I need to grease stuff like bolts and threads, etc.

    I have never seen BNS dry out, nor burn.

    Originally BNS was sold for racing car applications and is of very high quality. Do note never to mix BNS with any other grease.

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    I bought an Off Road Trailer second hand and when I decided to do the bearings I found what looked like tar inside there. Black gooey sticky stuff. Even battled to remove it with petrol.

    Luckily I did the job when I did.
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    The grease that comes with the kit is sufficient, however I'm of the believe there is better quality grease available
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitsu Fan View Post
    I bought an Off Road Trailer second hand and when I decided to do the bearings I found what looked like tar inside there. Black gooey sticky stuff. Even battled to remove it with petrol.

    Luckily I did the job when I did.
    Sounds like WB grease, which is Wheel Bearing grease. It is vile stuff I refused to work with, which fortunately does not come with wheel bearings anymore, for as long as I can remember.

    History is a bit vague, but I think it was in the late 80s, when I was still in school, that I came across this crap and decides I'm not putting this on any bearing. It looked like tar with dog hair mixed in! Thats when I went out and found BNS grease and I'm still using BNS to this day. I believe back then, the BNS pot said something like 'High temperature grease for race cars with discs breaks'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RogueFrontier View Post
    I have heard many opinions why the cavity should not be filled, but none have ever made sense. Please explain.

    PS I agree filling the dustcap does not make sense.
    Think about it, what is the point of grease in the cavity? What can or does it lubricate? It cannot get into the bearings since centrifugal force throws it up against the sides of the cavity. And if too much, it will heat up and transfer excess heat to the bearings.
    I'm not arguing, I'm just explaining why I'm right!

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    Default Re: Is this enough grease????

    Bit like putting grease around your prop shaft and expecting it to grease the universal joint

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    Default Re: Is this enough grease????

    If the cavity is not full and bearings overheat. The grease in the bearings will melt and go where. The extra grease in the cavity will also melt and keep the bearings lubricated in a grease fluid.

    This grease in a fluid form will be sloshed around and keep things lubricated.

    This is my theory.

    I only use Castrolís WB grease.

    I also think lots of WB are not seated correctly when reinstalled and replaced.

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    Default Re: Is this enough grease????

    Quote Originally Posted by Sneaky Pete View Post
    If you feel it is too little what are you going to do because you should not mix different greases and you do not know what type grease that is (ie you cannot add to that grease). So either use that grease and only that, or play safe and get a tub of grease that will be more than enough for you needs. Lithium, aluminium and bentonite are all good bases for greases and if you can find a complex grease (eg. lithium complex grease) and a number 2 or 3 consistency will be fine.

    Make sure all the previous grease is cleaned out to prevent incompatibility problems.
    BNS is the bentonite grease I referred to. It is a good grease not a complex grease. Stay away from Sodium and Calcium based greases for wheel bearings. Greases containing boundary lubricants (such as MS grease referred to is for CV's) are a blackish grey color and also unsuitable for wheel bearings.
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