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    Not sure about at the OP's sensitivity to mileage is but the 90/103Kw single turbo Amarok Trendline D/C could be had around the suggested budget and would meet the fuel consumption requirements
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinBravo View Post
    Hi there guys
    I am looking for a 4x4, something that can tackle soft beach sand

    Must have
    space for 4 adults
    some sort of fuel economy (12+ km/l)
    Be younger than 2012

    Price range of R3-5k pm,


    What would you guys suggest? Im keen on the mahindra range, But open for anything

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    would recommend a Ford Ranger 2.2 XL DC 4x4
    I have a 2016 model and its really an excellent vehicle with goo gravel road ability minimum cabin noise
    diesel consumption 7.5l/100km

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    Quote Originally Posted by JanKaroo View Post
    would recommend a Ford Ranger 2.2 XL DC 4x4
    I have a 2016 model and its really an excellent vehicle with goo gravel road ability minimum cabin noise
    diesel consumption 7.5l/100km
    Those things are gorgeous. but damn pricey!

    @dazza , Im not too phased by mileage, under 200k is fine by me

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    If you include 2011 in your search and look for something with lower mileage you should be able to find something quite easily.
    The 2011/2012 Isuzu KB300 DTeq 4x4 (kb5 which is the previous shape like in my signature) is a great motor and can be had a for a decent price with lowish mileage if you look around.

    That will give you a good spec vehicle, with good economy and reliability and the fact it holds its resale pretty well even if its not a toyota.
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    Whats the oldest you can finance? 7years?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinBravo View Post
    Whats the oldest you can finance? 7years?
    9 or 10 years I think. Depends on the bank.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinBravo View Post
    Whats the oldest you can finance? 7years?
    I think up to 10 years....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinBravo View Post
    Whats the oldest you can finance? 7years?
    I financed a 2005 vehicle in 2016, through Nedbank MFC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archaeo View Post
    I financed a 2005 vehicle in 2016, through Nedbank MFC.
    They are probably willing to take that finance risk on a Toyota

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim View Post
    They are probably willing to take that finance risk on a Toyota
    I kinda thought that too
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinBravo View Post
    Hi there guys
    I am looking for a 4x4, something that can tackle soft beach sand

    Must have
    space for 4 adults
    some sort of fuel economy (12+ km/l)
    Be younger than 2012

    Price range of R3-5k pm,


    What would you guys suggest? I’m keen on the Mahindra range, but open for anything
    Given the limited, yet to some extend workable, information above:

    Let us start with the big one first: PRICE
    My “rule of thumb” normally when it comes to vehicle finance is that for every R100 000.00 you want to borrow, you will be paying about R2 000.00 back per month. Using this guidance on your budget, then it allows you to look within the price range of R150 000.00 to R250 000.00. I assume you have extra cash available on top of your deposit for the initiation fee and on-road cost when purchasing a vehicle through finance? Then also, my personal advice – never go for finance over a period of more than 60 months and never accept a balloon payment option (use it don’t use it – you decide).

    Here is an example:
    Purchase price: R250 000.00
    Deposit: R15 000.00
    Loan amount: R235 000.00
    Interest: 10%
    Period: 60 months / 5 years
    Monthly installment (estimated): R 4,993.06
    Total interest paid (estimated): R 64,583.33

    Here another example:
    Purchase price: R250 000.00
    Deposit: R15 000.00
    Loan amount: R235 000.00
    Interest: 10%
    Period: 72 months / 6 years
    Monthly installment (estimated): R 4,353.57
    Total interest paid (estimated): R 76,498.84

    That is almost a R12 000.00 difference (close to your deposit)
    While we are on the finance subject, couple of extra points also to consider.

    1. By how much does the vehicle depreciate per year?
    2. What is the expected resale value if one would like to sell it?
    3. What does the servicing normally cost?
    4. How often does the vehicle need servicing?
    5. What major services needs to be done and when?


    Side note: when financing a vehicle for a private sale, then the interest is sometimes a bit more than 10%. When doing it through a dealer, the interest rate is normally better.

    Now that I have sort of established the price range, box ticked, let us move to your second requirement, namely age of the vehicle. For this, have done a quick search on the website of Autotrader.

    Selected the following options:
    Price: Less than R250 000.00
    Year: More than 2012
    Transmission drive: 4x4, AWD (all-wheel drive)
    Engine capacity: less than 3.0L (due to you fuel economy requirement)

    List spit out: 760 vehicles (SWEET!!!)

    Let us start playing and see if we can up the year to more than 2013
    List spit out: 478 vehicles (still a lot, SWEET!!!)

    Let us start playing and see if we can up the year to more than 2014
    List spit out: 256 vehicles (still a lot of options to go through)

    Let us start playing and see if we can up the year to more than 2015
    List spit out: 155 vehicles (wow, still a big number to play with – you are in luck)

    Let us start playing and see if we can up the year to more than 2016
    List spit out: 133 vehicles (ok, let’s start to sift through the results)

    List is dominated by Renault Dusters – a vehicle that got good reviews. Due to the cost of maintenance, this vehicle is a non-contender for me. It does tick all your boxes so far.
    Also, saw a few Suzuki Jimny’s – will not work as this is more aimed for two people and not four.
    Found a Nissan Pathfinder 2.5dCi – test drove this vehicle and I was not impress, the V6 petrol is a much better vehicle. Your constriction of fuel economy rules the V6 out.
    The VW Amarok 2.0TDI 4Motion is also on the first page of the hit list with less than 50 000km
    Couple of Nissan Hardbody and Ford Ranger 2.2 Double Cab XLS also popping up.

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinBravo View Post
    What would you guys suggest?
    Now here comes my personal view and recommendation:
    Given the information and your requirements and if I had those recommendation, I will look for the Land Rover Freelander II. I own a Land Rover Freelander II 2.2 SD4 HSE Sport Auto, and I’m extremely satisfied with it. It ticks all your boxes for me in the year range 2012 to 2013. Mileage is a bit high (around 100 000km), but I do not know of any problems with this model. I’ve heard of some of them with over the 200 000km and are still going strong. Mine now has over the 160 000km and still purring like a kitten.

    I drove my vehicle to Mozambique (Ponta Malongane and Ponta Du Ouro) on a couple of times and it preformed really well. Once we were 4 adults and towed a trailer to Mozambique with no issues. Drove on the beach in Sodwana and I’m really impressed with it. Never got stuck on the loose sand. Now this makes me a bit biased towards this vehicle and more towards the SUV type of vehicles (personal choice). My running cost of my vehicle to date is R1.75 per km and average fuel consumption is about 9.94 liter /100 km or 10.0 km/liter (I do have a heavy foot, and often drive short distances. On the long and open road loaded, this beauty gets about 7 liter /100 km or 14.0 km/liter).
    For more information pertaining to my view regarding the Freelander, see my older post here:
    http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/...92#post3797592

    Other options to consider
    On my trips to Mozambique we saw a couple of other SUV’s that also made it there, and thus will make them a serious contender for your sand requirement. They will also tick the boxes on your requirement list:
    Subaru
    Kia Sportage
    Hyundai iX35
    Audi Q5
    VW Tiguan
    Volvo XC60 (their depreciation is awful, hence the saying Volvo for life – still a lot of car for the price you pay. Servicing is also expensive)
    Jeep Cherokee (generally speaking Jeep is expensive to service when out of their motor plan – again, you normally get a lot of car when purchasing a Jeep, my dad owned a couple Jeep Grand Cherokees)
    Jeep Wrangler (same as above)

    Getting to you eye on the Mahindra brand:
    Mahindra is gaining some market share and I know of a couple of people who owns one. All of them are still very happy with their purchase. I personally do not like their look, a bit of an ugly duckling for me. Note that the older Mahindra’s had Renault engines in (servicing comes to mind again). They only recently started to install their own engines in their vehicles.

    Happy car hunting and let us know when you have purchased your new baby!

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    Wow... I feel like i have to pay you for that post.

    That's a lot of information

    I'm planning on keeping the car for as long as possible, so the Mahindra range is definitely up there


    You mentioned the Renaults costs were off-putting? Why would you say that? The services seemed ok, and once out of warranty I would be servicing it on my own

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinBravo View Post
    Wow... I feel like i have to pay you for that post.
    Contributions always welcome!

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinBravo View Post
    You mentioned the Renaults costs were off-putting? Why would you say that?
    The cost of repairs and replacing parts on French cars are normally high (call it stigma in the market).
    I know someone who has a Renault Duster and the parts are indeed high, and very scares.
    He still awaits a part for his Renault Duster pertaining to the clutch mechanism, and this part comes with a price tag.
    Can not remember all the details pertaining to it, will ask him again next week Friday when I see him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinBravo View Post
    Wow... I feel like i have to pay you for that post.

    That's a lot of information

    I'm planning on keeping the car for as long as possible, so the Mahindra range is definitely up there


    You mentioned the Renaults costs were off-putting? Why would you say that? The services seemed ok, and once out of warranty I would be servicing it on my own
    As the co-owner of a Duster I can say that there are stuff thats expensive but there is also a lot that is not. The biggest headache you will have with the duster is cambelt changes/
    The rest is hearsay from people.
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