Which brand Low Sulphur Diesel do you use and why?




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  • Shell

    26 16.56%
  • BP

    15 9.55%
  • Caltex

    22 14.01%
  • Total

    9 5.73%
  • Engen

    14 8.92%
  • Sasol

    50 31.85%
  • Other

    5 3.18%
  • Whatever station I pass

    16 10.19%
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    Default Which brand Low Sulphur Diesel do you use and why?

    It's interesting for me to note that it seems that I get better consumption on Shell 50ppm than Engen. I also get good consumption on Sasol but I am scared that the 10ppm has less lubricity.

    Would be interesting to hear what you guys fill up with AND WHY?
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    Default Re: Which brand Low Sulphur Diesel do you use and why?

    Sasol 10ppm. Good product and I get rewards from my bank. Lower sulphur = longer engine oil life. When on holiday, anything that is available as long as it is <=50ppm and not from a backyard filling station. Local specs are stringent and there is little difference between brands of the same spec.
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    Default Re: Which brand Low Sulphur Diesel do you use and why?

    I used to fill up at the BP on Porterfield Road because they had 500 but when they dropped it, I went over to the Engen on Janssens, simply because it's closest and we have got to know the staff there and we like the service.
    They also stepped up to the plate without quibble when the Td5 got a shot of petrol by accident, so they have earned my support.
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    Default Re: Which brand Low Sulphur Diesel do you use and why?

    I got good performance from SASOL but better much better consumption from Shell in the RRTDV8
    I was also told by a chemist that Engen was the best for cold temperatures and I found this to be true when I visit the Berg near the Sani Pass area.

    I am not sure of the actual factual reasons though. Maybe someone knows why.

    In my VX100 4.2 Shell is better and Egen is noisy and smokes more.

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    Default Re: Which brand Low Sulphur Diesel do you use and why?

    The local garage owner tells me every brand diesel in Pretoria gets collected at Waltloo depot by truck, the same base diesel, and each brand have its own additives dosed in during filling.

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    Default Re: Which brand Low Sulphur Diesel do you use and why?

    On the moment I fill up my Hilux SRX with Sasol 50 ppm Diesel at a specific dealer because it is the cheapest Diesel in Bloemfontein (R12.8 other then the Depot itself.
    On my bakkie I get the best fuel consumption on Engen diesel.
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    Default Re: Which brand Low Sulphur Diesel do you use and why?

    I have used one specific Engen garage in Edenglen for a few years now purely due to price. They are on average 10c per litre cheaper than the other filling stations in the area.
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    Default Re: Which brand Low Sulphur Diesel do you use and why?

    Quote Originally Posted by faniedup View Post
    The local garage owner tells me every brand diesel in Pretoria gets collected at Waltloo depot by truck, the same base diesel, and each brand have its own additives dosed in during filling.
    This is true for many brands. There is an Engen depot in Langlaagte where I used to get my "bp" diesel from.

    And from insider info, not even all the brands dose 100% correct every time.

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    Default Re: Which brand Low Sulphur Diesel do you use and why?

    Diesel and petrol:- the brands are so mixed up these days.

    Where does Durban or joberg Caltex garages get their fuel from, CT

    Where does CT engen get their fuel from, Durban??

    Most of the lubricating oils and greases come from the same factory in Durban, same machine, just different branded final containers!!

    I have over 25 years in the oil industry, it's mind blowing.

    Most are the same base products, its often just the additive, even then its pretty mixed up.

    And then there are all the imported products to make up the shortfall, that waters it down even further.

    Its all in the mind, I get better power or consumption with x fuel??

    Half the time you cant even fingerprint the fuel to see where it comes from, because it is so mixed up.
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    Default Re: Which brand Low Sulphur Diesel do you use and why?

    I prefer Total's Diesel in my 2005 Hardbody 3.0TD16V... at this stage I fill up at either of the 2 Obaro's in Pta - they are around R1/L cheaper than the Total Filling Station around the corner.... Again, Total-diesel is Total-diesel... I prefer to only use 50ppm.

    Just after I bought the vehicles 3 years ago, I tried my hand at some of SASOL's 10ppm, however unbelievably down on power and very bad consumption. Since then the majority of diesel has been Total....(over a period of +- 70k km's)

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    Default Re: Which brand Low Sulphur Diesel do you use and why?

    Total,caltex,shell,Bp mostly get their stock from the same depos so same fuel.Only the additive that each brand adds differs,and this at a ratio of 50lt additive to 40 000fuel.So the above 4 brands are pretty much the same.
    The big question shouls rather be who tests their fuel quality and tank cleanliness the most.Those are the guys to support

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    Default Re: Which brand Low Sulphur Diesel do you use and why?

    Shell and bp it’s comes from one refinery in Durban. Same pipes and tanks, from beginning to the end.
    Current off-road vehicles:
    * 1978 Land-Cruiser HJ40 DIESEL P/U "SHREK", BFG 31x10.5 muds.
    * 1994 Land-Cruiser J70 DIESEL P/U, my truck recovery vehicle. 15000 warn winch. And 3.5ton hand winch. Back full of appropriate sized recovery gear. BFG31x10.5 muds.

    * 2014 Land-Cruiser LX V8 76 DIESEL STATION WAGON, BFG's 285 all terrain. I have a spare 5000 warn winch I might fit.
    * 1988 HILUX TOYOTA 4x4 D/C, BFG all terrain.
    * 1999 TOYOTA 4x4 HILUX 2700i D/C, BFG 31x10.5 all terrain.
    * 2011 HILUX 4X4 P/U, BFG 31x10.5 all terrain.
    * 1999 PAJERO 3.5 V6 Mitsubishi (sorry not a Toyota), BFG 31x10.5 all terrain.
    * 4x4 trailer, 1987, BFG all terrain. * GSA 1200 BMW ADVENTURE LC [liquid cooled} 2016, (off road bike) the closest motorbike to a land cruiser. * a GS800, 2011. * AND a Massey Fergusson 375 tractor. Not BFG's and not a 4x4.


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    Default Re: Which brand Low Sulphur Diesel do you use and why?

    Only Sasol 10 PPM
    No more puff of smoke when you pull away from stops.
    And its Cetane Number is higher (with the obvious added advantages), compared to other higher sulfur diesel, available.

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    Default Re: Which brand Low Sulphur Diesel do you use and why?

    I'm not convinced about the "obvious" advantages of higher cetane ratings. It seems that a minimum is sufficient and above that is superfluous. See my results below.

    500ppm is not recommended for Euro 3 spec and above vehicles due to its scouring of cylinder walls - apparently.

    There isn't a Total station near enough to me.

    We can't get 10 ppm in Cape Town...yet.
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    Default Re: Which brand Low Sulphur Diesel do you use and why?

    Quote Originally Posted by K-9 View Post
    Diesel and petrol:- the brands are so mixed up these days.

    Where does Durban or joberg Caltex garages get their fuel from, CT

    Where does CT engen get their fuel from, Durban??

    Most of the lubricating oils and greases come from the same factory in Durban, same machine, just different branded final containers!!

    I have over 25 years in the oil industry, it's mind blowing.

    Most are the same base products, its often just the additive, even then its pretty mixed up.

    And then there are all the imported products to make up the shortfall, that waters it down even further.

    Its all in the mind, I get better power or consumption with x fuel??

    Half the time you cant even fingerprint the fuel to see where it comes from, because it is so mixed up.
    Thanks for a very informative comment.

    Reminds me of a case several years ago in the Cape High Court. 40k litres of fuel were stolen. The fuel was located. The particular brand that lost the fuel lost the case as well. Reason being that they could not prove that the fuel found was similar to their specifications. Fuel in the WC basically are all the same.

    Brings me to another point. 10ppm diesel I get as the lowest sulphur containing diesel.
    Travel in Cape Town and you find 500 & 59 ppm diesel. Go 60km outside of city and only 50ppm available. Now I suspect that the Milnerton refinery only produces 50ppm and the 500/50ppm is just a ruse to charge us more for nothing.

    I would like the fuel experts who know to clarify this for us all.

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    Default Re: Which brand Low Sulphur Diesel do you use and why?

    I'm not a fuel expert, but until they respond, I'd like to add that 1 ppm is available in parts of Europe.

    To continue the conspiracy theory, perhaps the tank dregs are sold as cheaper 500 ppm to fleet owners.
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    Engen - Force of habit...

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    Default Re: Which brand Low Sulphur Diesel do you use and why?

    Fill the Tata up at either Obaro or GTL across the road in Pretoria. No negative results. Shell 500ppm faired the best in the Musso, though.
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    Default Re: Which brand Low Sulphur Diesel do you use and why?

    Hi Guys,

    I am a Chemical/Process engineer by trade I work for a large South African Petrochemical company. No prizes for working it out....

    Almost all grades of Diesel produced on the Highveld are produced by one company. To get 10ppm you produce it in large quantities, and blend it down to get to 50ppm and 500ppm.

    That being said the base product is Diesel and each "Brand" ads their own additives.

    So fuel sold on Highveld is almost all SASOL Diesel, blended down with higher Sulphur Diesel for other brands. Remember there is also a fuel pipeline between Durban and Jozi.

    Personally I use SASOL 10ppm in my Rok because that is the only brand available in Secunda. And I get red bank points everytime I fill up.
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