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    I agree with the grinder being important.

    Cheap grinders tear the beans and you don't extract the full flavour.
    I have a Japanese hand grinder and the difference it made to the brew was startling!
    I would say spend 65% of your budget on a quality grinder.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kiri View Post
    "GET THE BREVILLE in my picture. Its not as good as the fancy one in my post, but it WAY better value than anything I can think of or have bought or tried."

    Like Fluffy said, the Breville will always make the ratings when you do a search for espresso machines...
    The good thing is, being a regular brand product, service and spares should not be an issue.

    The coffee snobs recon that the grinder is as important as the coffee machine
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk View Post
    You are spoilt!



    This is really interesting, I almost bought one few years back, but did not want the grinder integrated, and now it sounds like it was a good decision as it was definitely a square container.

    During my research the Breville kept coming up, and was the most affordable machine at the time, but I think they have also gone up in price recently.

    (I was almost in the same boat, friend of mine moved overseas and sold all appliances at giveaway prices, and I just missed scoring a bean to cup machine, which was virtually brand new, for R3k!)
    Nope I'm not spoilt.
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    Our answer

    Italian Plunger - Jamaican / Moroccan ground, and SWAMBO - but she must be feeling in a good mood - other wise we get chicory blend....

    Draw back only four mugs per serving and needs to be washed every time.

    Pro - Cheapest set, can be packed in with camp gear - small and portable. And is compatible with some Irish..

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    I'm not spoilt, but I am VERY fortunate.

    I happen to have the best Barista in the country on my doorstep. Yes he was SA champ for a few years. Well actually when I say doorstep I mean that literally, or more correctly actually in my home on occasion.

    Craig Charity, from Linage. Yep, Jebo. The man. And what a nice guy.

    So, I'm not spoilt, but damn I am fortunate.
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    My away from home coffee "machine"
    Bialetti Mokka pot and Bialetti ceramic Grinder

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiri View Post
    My away from home coffee "machine"
    Bialetti Mokka pot and Bialetti ceramic Grinder

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    Methinks that is the Venus, the Mokka is the one that is slab-sided.

    I am in the market....

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    I do not drink coffee but read a lot. I have seen many well done tests. As expected different people have different taste but one item comes up often. Cleaning. If you cannot clean the parts easily then forget about that set. Cleaning requirement applies to clean water tanks, pipes and what ever if such are included into the equipment.

    Water. If you do not have good water it is no good to spend money on expensive equipment. As I drink tea without milk or sugar I taste poor water, dirty water kettle... on a spot. I have left many nearly full cups on a table, send the tea back, "black listed" places... Coffee especially with sugar and milk hides water quality more than tea with the same stuff but it is there.

    We bought juice extractor recently. Main selection criteria was how easy it is to clean. Cost quite a bit more but easy cleaning = it is used. Same applies to coffee thing. Just as a note. Hand washing doesn't clean properly. Dishwasher does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rainier Vermaak View Post
    Methinks that is the Venus, the Mokka is the one that is slab-sided.

    I am in the market....

    :-)
    Jip, that is the Venus Moka pot.
    Can also be used on induction stoves, unlike the Moka Express.

    The coffee quality improved by using freshly ground beans to pre-grounds
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    Water quality is crucial!

    Interested to know what juice extractor you bought?

    Easy cleaning is a top priority.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jouko View Post
    I do not drink coffee but read a lot. I have seen many well done tests. As expected different people have different taste but one item comes up often. Cleaning. If you cannot clean the parts easily then forget about that set. Cleaning requirement applies to clean water tanks, pipes and what ever if such are included into the equipment.

    Water. If you do not have good water it is no good to spend money on expensive equipment. As I drink tea without milk or sugar I taste poor water, dirty water kettle... on a spot. I have left many nearly full cups on a table, send the tea back, "black listed" places... Coffee especially with sugar and milk hides water quality more than tea with the same stuff but it is there.

    We bought juice extractor recently. Main selection criteria was how easy it is to clean. Cost quite a bit more but easy cleaning = it is used. Same applies to coffee thing. Just as a note. Hand washing doesn't clean properly. Dishwasher does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Dold View Post
    Water quality is crucial!

    Interested to know what juice extractor you bought?

    Easy cleaning is a top priority.
    https://savehyperonline.co.za/philip...CABEgI6WvD_BwE

    Best price was at Makro after pensioner's discount. It is actually easy to clean.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiri View Post
    Jip, that is the Venus Moka pot.
    Can also be used on induction stoves, unlike the Moka Express.

    The coffee quality improved by using freshly ground beans to pre-grounds
    At the moment I am torn between the Bialetti Venus, the Aeropress or a proper french press.

    My stovetop percolator developed a little hole last month and since then I have been using my little plunger. Which is great, but the natives are restless....



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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    Sprada, Seaco, Jura, Phillips,......same machines, same factory in China. Different branding.
    Donít know the others you mentioned, but Sprada, Bosch, Siemens are manufactured in Switzerland. I might be mistaken but I think Jura too.

    When I was in Germany, I was informed that some machine manufacturing of Sprada and Bosch are (outsourced) in Slovenia and Czech Republic.

    Not in China though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffy View Post
    Sprada, Seaco, Jura, Phillips,......same machines, same factory in China. Different branding.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel 4x4 View Post
    Don’t know the others you mentioned, but Sprada, Bosch, Siemens are manufactured in Switzerland. I might be mistaken but I think Jura too.

    When I was in Germany, I was informed that some machine manufacturing of Sprada and Bosch are (outsourced) in Slovenia and Czech Republic.

    Not in China though.
    The Jura espresso machines are produced by Eugster/Frismag in Romanshorn, Switzerland,
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    There is a difference between produced and manufactured

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    Some Jura machines are still manufactured in Switzerland. Not all. Easy to spot which ones
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    Hehe - you guys sparked my interest now and had to go look at our Sprada machine - but manufactured in Switzerland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sadi View Post
    Hehe - you guys sparked my interest now and had to go look at our Sprada machine - but manufactured in Switzerland.
    Sure no China label underneath 🤣
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingetrap View Post
    Loads of awesome information thanks.

    I believe Seaco have a shop in CT somewhere and offer pretty good service will go and check them out!

    Aeropress also looks like a fantastic option when camping
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    FROM Italian Lifestyle mentioned above.

    We do have a special on selected machines for the month of December , I have attached the specs of the machines that we for your perusal.

    The Odea Go is our entry level domestic coffee machine. You are able to make 2 coffees at a time. The machine comes with a steam arm that allows you to manual heat and froth your milk. The machine has a 1.5L water tank and a 180g bean hopper. The volume can be adjusted by the simple turn of the front dial. The machine has interactive warning lights that indicates errors, allowing for easier maintenance.
    Machine Retails at R7850 less 20% for the month making it R6280 in vat.

    The Lirika Otc , it is a one touch cappuccino machine. You are able to programme 4 beverage buttons as per your liking. The machines boasts a 500g bean hopper and 2.5L water tank, meaning you would need to fill the machine less often. The machine also has a very soft sounding grinder. The machine is low maintenance and very interactive.
    The machine retails at R12 320 less 20% for the month making it R9856 in vat.

    The Incanto is a one touch cappuccino machine that brews 6 coffee varieties. It has a removable milk Carafe, 250g bean hopper and 1.8L removable water tank. Great aspect of this machine, is the ability to customize each drink per cup volume, coffee strength and temperature. The machine is easy to clean and to maintain. It has a bean hopper capacity, 250 g water tank, 1.8L.
    Machine retails at R11 999 in vat.

    The Royal Gran Crema is a great looking machine. The machine is a great entry level office machine, it comes with an automatic milk frothing unit that can be attached to the steam arm for effortless milk frothing. The machines steam arm can also be used to froth milk manually if you prefer to do so. The machines water tank and bean hopper capacity are great as well as the machine comes with a pre ground slot, allowing you to brew a different blend from what is in the bean hopper, for eg, rooibosspresso or a decaf. The machine also boasts a cup warmer on which to store your cups.
    Machine retails for R15 680 less 20% making it R12 544 in vat.

    You are more than welcome to pop into our showroom as then I can show you the machines as well as provide a demo on them.

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