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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeepiscool View Post
    I am of the opinion that you get two types of politicians. Those who grow economies and take their (fair) share of the earnings, and those who sucks them dry with no regard. Hopefully the Krokodil is the latter.
    Well I hope he is the first.

    Rumours on the ground sound extremely positive.
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    I heard part of the new bosses speech. Did not sound good. If they do not let the commercial farmers back Zim economy will not come up fast. Without the big scale farmers it will be handouts for years to come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jouko View Post
    I heard part of the new bosses speech. Did not sound good. If they do not let the commercial farmers back Zim economy will not come up fast. Without the big scale farmers it will be handouts for years to come.
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    It’s a bit of a conundrum, stated policy that the land reforms will not be rescinded, yet wanting the old farming practices back. Clearly it would be political suicide to dispossess the repossessed, and simply crazy to run down the argument of whom stole what from whom. That one would re-open old wounds , both relatively recent as well as multi-generational and would apply to all. I think that this is part of the new President’s remark ,let bygones be bygones. They are going to need a fresh start.
    I would have thought a way forward would be something like
    1) an assessment of the land appropriation so far, and that that has been appropriated illegally returned to the state.
    2) legislation introduced compelling landlords of suitable land to farm it in a manner consistent with the public good
    3) long term tenancy agreements or leaseholds for the landlords to be able to turn to active professional farmers. Clearly these would have to be long term as a great deal of capital will have to be introduced so they must be inviolate in law and unalterable outside the usual parameters, and there would need to be a legal framework to prevent excessive rent reviews.
    Now clearly you’d get the “why the hell should I rent back what..... etc, etc”, but I would say again that this is an argument going nowhere.
    Some of the older generation are settled elsewhere but I’d be willing to bet that this would be an opportunity for their next generations to return , And with sufficient government guarantees the banks would be able to finance the retuning skill base.

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    There are also noises of compensation to disposessed farmers.

    Now an easy way out, would be to get those farmers back, give them land. A 99yr lease and the compensation. Now the compensation is available for a fresh start.
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    Aren't all those farmers dead already? Or 99 years old?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Stoffel View Post
    Aren't all those farmers dead already? Or 99 years old?
    Pretty much the same as the 14 year old war vets. Care to read the prior post again ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by iandvl View Post
    Pretty much the same as the 14 year old war vets. Care to read the prior post again ?
    Nope, too much speculation and believing in a rosy future for Zimbabwe and promises etc. It will take a loooong time before Zim is even remotely beck on track. If they ever get back on track.
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    The farms belonged to the family. So even the grand kids must be able to claim those farms.
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    Henris, the compensation is an important point, not just psychologically.
    In certain circumstances, and if it is hard currency, it could also be used as collateral . Effectively self financing. The crucial point would be the guarantees
    No , those farmers are not all dead. We’re staying with one who’s still very much alive in a few weeks time.
    If the president’s word is good then freehold would be out of the question. A very respected individual who I will not name told us Mugabe’s epitaph will be “I got the land back”, no matter your personal point of view that will be the way that it is .
    Long term leasehold or secure tenancy agreements would be the way to go
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henris View Post
    The farms belonged to the family. So even the grand kids must be able to claim those farms.
    Knowing Zim the way I do, that must be a joke. The response to that will simply be that the white family had initially taken them from the locals.

    Grand kids claiming it.....I don't see that happening.
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    Looking good, even just the gesture is promising.

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    Maybe it's about time African countries recognise it's country citizens as they are and not based on race , Europe, America etc are black /white / brown and all shades in between , to think and believe that Africa is for black skinned people is so passé and just as stupid as apartheid was - what any country needs is working ,educated and dedicated people ,not driftwood ,self entitled laze abouts and hangers on .

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    Well said, I couldn't agree more.☺

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelpie View Post
    Maybe it's about time African countries recognise it's country citizens as they are and not based on race , Europe, America etc are black /white / brown and all shades in between , to think and believe that Africa is for black skinned people is so passé and just as stupid as apartheid was - what any country needs is working ,educated and dedicated people ,not driftwood ,self entitled laze abouts and hangers on .
    It can be put in another perspective, too. A company CEO resigns immediately it becomes known that there are serious irregularities about the company's financial matters - of his own accord. He would no doubt have been pushed, but he opts to go himself. A Prime Minister in the UK calls for a referendum on something called Brexit, and the results of the referendum go against his views by a few percent. He resigns immediately. A couple of celebrities are accused of inappropriate sexual advances decades ago, and suffer all kinds of consequences immeditely.
    On the southern tip of Africa a president faces 783 charges of corruption, and uses every means possible to evade facing them , including continuously manipulating the prosecuting authority. The highest court in the land finds that he has failed to uphold the constitution. He steals hundreds on millions of rand for his own homestead too. He is ordered to pay some of it back. He is still president, and neither he nor his political party see anything wrong in this, and there is not even a mention about impeachment.
    That is just one of Africa's problems.....
    And to make it worse, he is numerically illiterate, too! And the world watches this all with bemusement, while while the country's currency tanks, and is reduced to junk status, but because he was part of the liberation struggle, all is forgiven.Viva! Amandla awethu! Aluta continua!
    And the people who keep him in power with their mindless votes are gradually reduced to unspeakable poverty, but it is not his or their fault. Its is the fault the descendants of some new european settlers who arrived 350 years ago, and who are a tiny minority, and who are all to blame for all of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmboldboy View Post
    On the southern tip of Africa a president faces 783 charges of corruption, and uses every means possible to evade facing them , including continuously manipulating the prosecuting authority.
    This in itself has little to do with race. Unfortunately it happens in other parts of the world too. It has more to do with people wanting power and being reluctant to give it up. People in charge accused of corruption and using all methods to stay in power?
    Just have a look at:
    - USA, Trump
    - Russia, Putin
    - Turkey, Erdogan
    - Italy, Berlusconi
    etc

    In South Africa it is just that the president has the race card (and the tribal card) to play on top of that.
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