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    Default Electrician/Electrical Question.

    hi,
    I'm changing lights in the ceiling. They have used sufix cables.
    I have made joins using those black connector blocks.
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    Is that legal from an inspection point of view?

    If not - what is correct.
    thanks
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    Those black connectors are legal>Remember to twist your wire and fold back so your screw catches all strands instead of one strand or the side of the conductor . If heat is present it is best to use screwits as these don't melt. Remember a loose connection causes fire and blown lamps.
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    The use of connecting up wires with connectors is legal, bu the connections are to be done in a recognized draw box with a cover.
    No open exposed wires are allowed.
    For screw in lamps your polarity has to be correct.

    If you talking about the wiring in the box on the ceiling where the light fitting is attached to.
    If this is the case, yes connectors can be used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capt Chaos View Post
    hi,
    I'm changing lights in the ceiling. They have used sufix cables.
    I have made joins using those black connector blocks.
    .
    Is that legal from an inspection point of view?

    If not - what is correct.
    thanks
    cc
    since you are asking.


    the only "legal way" is to get an electrician to work, AND to issue a COC upon completion.

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    I am thinking of changing my 12V downlighters to 220V GU10 LED's. Does this mean every light will need a box?

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    Are they in a normal ceiling as in one can climb into the roof where the lights are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisF View Post
    since you are asking.


    the only "legal way" is to get an electrician to work, AND to issue a COC upon completion.
    chris, have you seen the "electricians" they send you these days, i ended up fixing after them, never mind how they disrespect your house....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Woolf View Post
    I am thinking of changing my 12V downlighters to 220V GU10 LED's. Does this mean every light will need a box?
    Technically speaking , yes.
    But.....the easiest and cost effective way would be to have the one central point in a drawbox, then take a separate 1mm or 1.5mm cable to each light connection. Its easier this way. No exposed wire in the roof space. hehee not that easy. Remember you will require an earth wire (its now 220v) tyhe fitting can be attached to the light fitting (wasnt designed by the brightest of the brightest) , 220v LED lamps are metal and the metal makes contact with the fitting, so thats where the earth is required. ALL steel fittings must be earthed....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Genissie View Post
    chris, have you seen the "electricians" they send you these days, i ended up fixing after them, never mind how they disrespect your house....
    I KNOW ...


    Fortunately I DO have the training, and friend that can sign off.

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    your friend is stupid,

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    Quote Originally Posted by OFFROAD ADDICT View Post
    your friend is stupid,
    +1


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    Quote Originally Posted by OFFROAD ADDICT View Post
    your friend is stupid,
    ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisF View Post
    I KNOW ...


    Fortunately I DO have the training, and friend that can sign off.
    Chris, i know you are stirring now


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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisF View Post
    I KNOW ...


    Fortunately I DO have the training, and friend that can sign off.

    Chris are u an Electrician or Lectrician ie qualified or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by OFFROAD ADDICT View Post
    Technically speaking , yes.
    But.....the easiest and cost effective way would be to have the one central point in a drawbox, then take a separate 1mm or 1.5mm cable to each light connection. Its easier this way. No exposed wire in the roof space. hehee not that easy. Remember you will require an earth wire (its now 220v) tyhe fitting can be attached to the light fitting (wasnt designed by the brightest of the brightest) , 220v LED lamps are metal and the metal makes contact with the fitting, so thats where the earth is required. ALL steel fittings must be earthed....
    1.5 mm for lights is recommended.


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    Here is the standard. (I feel like Apoc, pasting the law)

    6.3.6.1
    The cables may be installed
    a) on the surface,
    b) under plaster,
    c) under a raised floor,
    d) in hollows (such as in walls and partitions) (no additional protection
    being needed),
    e) in roof spaces,
    f) direct in the ground (see 6.4.4.2, unarmoured buried cables),
    g) outdoors or exposed to water (but unless the manufacturer proves
    that the cables can withstand ultraviolet radiation, the cable shall be
    out of sight of the sky), and
    h) under screed if protected by an earth leakage protection device with a
    rated earth leakage tripping current (rated residual current)
    IΔn not
    exceeding 30 mA.
    Amdt 5

    6.3.6.2
    These cables shall not be buried direct in concrete.

    Amdt 3; amdt 5
    6.3.7 Joints and terminations
    6.3.7.1
    Joints and terminations of cables, cores and conductors shall be
    made in accordance with manufacturers' instructions or the
    appropriate part of SANS 10198. Flexible cables shall only be joined

    using termination boxes, cable couplers or manufacturers’ jointing kits. All
    with 5.1.1, except for joints made and sealed permanently and intended
    to be maintenance free.
    Amdt 1; amdt 3; amdt 4; amdt 5

    6.3.7.2
    Joints and terminations shall not
    a) adversely affect the current-carrying capacity, the insulation resistance
    or the earth continuity of the cable, core or conductor in which
    they are made,
    b) be made in any connector, bend, elbow or tee-piece of a conduit,
    c) allow the strands of a stranded conductor to spread, or
    d) require strands of a stranded conductor to be cut away to allow
    connection of the conductors (for example, to terminals).

    6.3.7.3
    Any armouring or sheathing shall be terminated in or on
    equipment. Armour wires shall be terminated by a clamp or gland in such
    a way that
    a) pressure is not applied to insulating material, and
    b) there is an earth tag washer (or similar) for connecting to the earth

    continuity conductor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hunter26 View Post
    Chris are u an Electrician or Lectrician ie qualified or not

    Craig
    in accordance with the current legislation I have the required training and experience to "work under the supervision of an electrician". Thus I may legally do the basic work, and have it signed off.


    in simple language - if I go and do my wiremans pratical exam now I could do all this work and sign it off myself.


    the remnants of multi skilled practical training during my years as an appy.




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    by sans 10142 all wiring that is new must be in conduit, (no body ever does it )
    if existing wiring all connections must be made in round or some form of sabs approved connection box
    to be safe and have a good electrical bonding rather use ferrules
    every thing that you do must be earthed, always even if it is required or not.

    cheep gets what cheep pays for .
    there are no short cuts in electricity. that equals a shock or death. you choose

    some more stuff but im still learning too, and i never stop learning , and that's how it should be

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisF View Post
    in accordance with the current legislation I have the required training and experience to "work under the supervision of an electrician". Thus I may legally do the basic work, and have it signed off.


    in simple language - if I go and do my wiremans pratical exam now I could do all this work and sign it off myself.


    the remnants of multi skilled practical training during my years as an appy.




    ORA soek jy n appy ??
    Ek soek professional manne mense wat kan Practical spell
    Working under supervision, what does that mean,

    I dont really ask who or what did the job, the guy that signs it off, its his name on the COC, He takes the wrap.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OFFROAD ADDICT View Post
    your friend is stupid,
    arent those the best ones ....







    ORA he walks over, we discuss the projecct, he supplies all the materials, I fit it, he inspects, I close, he signs off. NICE

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