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    Hi All,

    First of all I am not particularly brand loyal.

    I had a SFA hilux and 2 discoveries. For me a disco 1 has no competitor in its price range when it comes to comfort and its only downfall is fuel consumption in V8 form.

    I am not going to dwell on landrover reliability because I believe than irrespective of brand the most reliable engines are normally aspirated diesels.

    I have been toying with the idea of changing to one of the 3 vehicles below. All similar but all in different price brackets.

    2.4D SFA Hilux
    3000D IFS Hilux
    4200D Cruiser

    I believe that any of those 3 are as reliable as they get.

    I don't believe that any of those get much more than 8km/l

    I don't believe that any of those are as comfortable as a D1

    Value for money... Well I have so many mixed ideas about that and that's why I haven't made up my mind yet.

    Then throw in the option of a brand new Jimny and I am even more confused.

    I want to use the vehicle for camping weekend within 100km as well as doing 4x4 routes and the occasional yearly long trip of 4000km or more. I want to do all calculations over 10 years ownership and 100k km distance.

    Please give your opinions on vehicles that would fit the description of a economical (relative to other 4x4s) reliable cost effective vehicle!

    I might end up keeping the disco but at R3 per km I can do a lot with R300k of fuel...

    Looking forward to your replies!
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    All good choices in their own way, but the 3000D had head issues at around 100k km. The KZTE, if looked after, would be a safer bet.


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    okay, the perfect man, the perfect woman are driving along in an economical, cost effective reliable 4x4, with their 2 perfect kids.

    they pick up Santa Claus along the way as his sleigh has broken down.

    they have a terrible accident, who survives?



    Answer: only the perfect woman could possibly live, as none of the other people exist, and, to boot there could not have been an accident as the vehicle does not exist either...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    okay, the perfect man, the perfect woman are driving along in an economical, cost effective reliable 4x4, with their 2 perfect kids.

    they pick up Santa Claus along the way as his sleigh has broken down.

    they have a terrible accident, who survives?



    Answer: only the perfect woman could possibly live, as none of the other people exist, and, to boot there could not have been an accident as the vehicle does not exist either...

    Alex, you have put this soooooooo well.

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    We should bring out a book.

    the economical, reliable, cost effective 4x4 and other fairy tales...

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    If I had to pick from the bunch it will be the cruiser 4200d.
    But I can't see you getting 8km/l with it.
    All three will be frustrating to drive though.

    I would look at the 2.8td Isuzu, in my experience it is a very reliable motor. With a little bit of power. And you can cruise at 120/130 on the highway. Fuel consumption will be 10km/l or more. If something does go its cheap to fix if you shop around a bit.
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    Ok so looking at the suggestions so far:

    KZ-TE
    280TD

    Both turbo diesels. TD engines are most economical but also most unreliable.

    All things are pointing to a second hand jimny being the only reliable economical 4x4 that would cost me less in the next 100k km than keeping my disco.

    But the size! Eish
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    1995 Land Rover Discovery 1 V8i Auto (didn't take us far )
    1998 Land Rover Discovery 1 V8i Manual (took us through Mos)
    1989 Toyota Hilux 4Y SFA (took us 2x through Bots, Zam and Zim)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JurgenSteyn View Post
    Ok so looking at the suggestions so far:

    KZ-TE
    280TD

    Both turbo diesels. TD engines are most economical but also most unreliable.

    All things are pointing to a second hand jimny being the only reliable economical 4x4 that would cost me less in the next 100k km than keeping my disco.

    But the size! Eish
    Add a roof rack. Your consumption will be more BUT it won't be nearly as bad as a Cruiser or anything else mentioned
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    Quote Originally Posted by JurgenSteyn View Post
    Ok so looking at the suggestions so far:

    KZ-TE
    280TD

    Both turbo diesels. TD engines are most economical but also most unreliable.

    All things are pointing to a second hand jimny being the only reliable economical 4x4 that would cost me less in the next 100k km than keeping my disco.

    But the size! Eish
    Isuzu 2.8td
    The one we had we sold recently with 430 000km on.
    We replaced injectors a few times, not more than R3000.00
    Turbo once, for R5000, but it was not driven as it should have been, you need to idle it after use and that was not done enough.

    turbo went at around 400 000km

    I would call that pretty damn reliable
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    Economical, reliable, cost effective 4x4? One word: Amarok... Sure there are 4x4's that are more capable and have higher ground clearance. But for your demands, nothing comes close. And it can take a euro pallet (ping Manny).

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    I don't care what anyone say, 9 times out of 10 you lose money overall when selling a car and buying another.

    Service the Disco well, make sure its running as economically as possible and keep it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by N00B View Post
    Economical, reliable, cost effective 4x4? One word: Amarok... Sure there are 4x4's that are more capable and have higher ground clearance. But for your demands, nothing comes close. And it can take a euro pallet (ping Manny).

    SO CAN THE NEW ISUZU! WOOHOO!

    Definitely number one priority for all of us haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew5336 View Post
    SO CAN THE NEW ISUZU! WOOHOO!

    Definitely number one priority for all of us haha.

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    This the same as saying we experienced a joyful burglary, the words dont belong together.

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    Thanks for the opinions guys!

    Lets look at the figures:

    100k km over 10 years...

    Disco: Fuel R300k
    2nd hand Jimny: Fuel R120k Vehicle R120k (2009 with 75k km)

    I am not talking maintenance.

    Then I might have an option on a 2.4D hilux for around R30k and fuel for 100k km about R150k

    Disco R300k
    Jimny R240k
    Hilux R180k

    Decisions decisions...
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    1995 Land Rover Discovery 1 V8i Auto (didn't take us far )
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    You will be hard pressed to find a better "bang for your buck" vehicle than a diesel disco 1. But since you asked...

    You did not mention which cruiser. Just diesel 4.2.

    May I suggest you add an 80 series 4.2 1hz to the list?

    Aspirated diesel. Not much to go wrong. Bit sluggish but as reliable as a hammer. If you want more power then get one with a factory fitted turbo. Aka 1hd or 1hd ft engines. Although turbo diesel they also very strong motors. The petrol engines get about 4.5km/l so based on your opening post I would suggest you avoid.

    Pros.

    Very reliable.
    Very capable.
    Very spacious.
    Spares easily available regardless of where you are.
    I have read they are not too bad on consumption either.
    Extremely tough.
    Great resale value.

    Cons.

    They not cheap. Expect to pay anything up to R140k for a good condition well looked after 80 especially in diesel. Some sellers may want more especially if they have the factory fitted extras like diff locks etc.

    They old vehicles. Although they are very tough they are approaching 20 years old. Regardless of the condition of the vehicle you buy it will need to be thoroughly checked out. Be patient when buying one.

    I would put the 80 ahead of the hilux.

    Just my 2c..
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    Jurgen daar staan 'n mooi 4.5 cruiser by Toyota

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    Jurgen maintenance has to be part of the equation.

    You can easily buy a second hand cheapy that will be average on fuel, then after 10k it breaks and the bill is 50k. The newer and more reliable you buy the better for the long run.

    Only question is how happy are you going to be with you decision after one year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk View Post
    Jurgen daar staan 'n mooi 4.5 cruiser by Toyota
    Thanks Dirk, dis net jammer mens kan nie 4.5 cruiser en ekonomies in een sin se nie.

    Ek le sterk na 'n 2de handse Jimny toe op die oomblik...
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    2001 Land Rover Discovery 2 TD5 Manual (took us though South Nam)
    1995 Land Rover Discovery 1 V8i Auto (didn't take us far )
    1998 Land Rover Discovery 1 V8i Manual (took us through Mos)
    1989 Toyota Hilux 4Y SFA (took us 2x through Bots, Zam and Zim)

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