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    My bubble got burst this morning.

    Looks like I wasn't the first to take the engine out the top without removing gearbox and front end.

    From what I understand this car was a non-DPF model run on 507.00 that doesn't have the additive needed for the non DPF R5/V10 bearings. The bearings failed and the piston slap took the bore. Ouch!

    http://www.touareg-freunde.de/showth...i-77t-km/page3









    Note Kortgat's post to 507.00 a while ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kortgat View Post
    Combination of manuals and forums really, but one German forum summed it up nicely (previously posted on your build thread):

    Kapitaler Motorschaden bei 77t km [Archiv] - Touareg-Freunde

    Here is a little explanation in German:

    Das ist eigentlich ganz simpel, der R5 ohne DPF hat Kurbelwellenlager verbaut, welche die Bleiadditive des Longlife2 als Schmierung nutzen. Die Kennzeichnung des Motors ist dann BAC & Kurbelwellenlager Index B. Wenn nun das Longlife3 verfüllt wird, wo diese Bleiadditive fehlen, entzieht man den Kurbelwellenlagern die Schmierung. Als Resultat laufen die irgendwann heiß und schlagen irgendwann aus. Dieser erhöhte Spielraum führt dazu, daß die Kolben im Hubraum an der Plasmabeschichtung kratzen. Sobald diese Beschichtung fehlt, gibt das Material nach und Du kannst nen Blumentopf in den Motorraum stecken.

    Das ist leider ein ganz großes Problem mit dem R5 Motörchen ohne Werks-DPF, es ist ein dreckiges Ding. Alle Nachrüstlösungen sind somit mit äußerster Vorsicht zu genießen!!!!

    Welches Öl Du nun einfüllen mußt ist im Grunde simpel, Longlife2 um den Motor zu retten und Longlife3 um die Filter zu schonen.

    R5 ohne DPF: Motorkennzeichen BAC Kurbelwellenlager Index B
    R5 mit DPF: Motorkennzeichen BPD & BPE Kurbelwellenlager Index C

    Basically translated:

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    The R5 without DPF has crankshaft bearings which rely on lead additives present in the Longlife 2 oil (506.01). This is for BAC engines. If other oils are used, the bearings are not lubricated sufficiently, which leads to overheating and eventual failure. This results in the piston running uneven, which destroys the plasma coating on the cylinder wall with the consequence that the cylinder block becomes useful as a flowerpot only.

    R5 without DPF = Engines labeled BAC, have crank shaft bearings 'Index B'
    R5 with DPF: Engines labeled BPD & BPE, have crank shaft bearings 'Index C'

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    In conclusion, there is an issue with the bearings and oils other than 506.01 on the BAC engines. When DPF's became essential, VW changed the bearings to tolerate 507 oil, otherwise fitting DPF's would be impossible due to the ash 'content' of the 506.01.

    Everyone with an R5 without DPF in South Africa (which should be every R5), use ONLY 506.01 oil, nothing else.
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    How do i tell if mine is DPF or non DPF?
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    Just check for sensors on the exhaust.

    If your engine code is BAC you have non DPF and should use 505.01/506.01

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    Don't think we have any DPF R5's int he country, certainly not any pre 2008.
    2007 Touareg 3.0 V6 TDI (Facelift, Air, Rear Diff Lock, Rear Mounted Spare)
    2008 Audi A4 B8 2.0 TDI (Multitronic)
    2009 KTM 990 Adventure (Daily Commuter & Weekend Fun)
    2012 Imagine Trailvan 4-Sleeper

    * consumption needs to be seen in the context that the vehicle is towing an Imagine Trailvan 50% of the time.


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    My engine code starts with BAC. Sigh. I think my mech is using 507, i will get some oil next week and change it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wedgy View Post
    My engine code starts with BAC. Sigh. I think my mech is using 507, i will get some oil next week and change it out.
    cool. Hope no damage was done so far.
    Last edited by MariusFourie; 2013/08/07 at 12:17 PM.

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    Called Fuchs, collecting 20l on Monday. R52-82 ex vat per litre. I wanted to get the 506.01, but with doing renovations at home, and importing another dog, i'm flat broke.
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    Just spoke to my mech, he uses Shell Helix HX7, so i'm safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wedgy View Post
    Called Fuchs, collecting 20l on Monday. R52-82 ex vat per litre. I wanted to get the 506.01, but with doing renovations at home, and importing another dog, i'm flat broke.

    I believe the 505.01 5w-40 is better in our climate than the 506.01 5w-30/0w-30 anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wedgy View Post
    Just spoke to my mech, he uses Shell Helix HX7, so i'm safe.
    Which HX7? There are a few.

    Only the HX7 AV is the correct one for PD engines.



    http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC...en-GB)_TDS.pdf

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    FML.

    I'll go see him and check which one it is.
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    505.01 is getting increasingly difficult to find.

    Don't cancel the Fuchs oil. It is a better viscosity and used to be the oil supplier to VW (they still supply some oils).

    I have to get some from them for my next service which is due in 8k km.

    I spoke to the oil engineer at Fuchs when I was in JHB a few months ago and he reckons based on the manufacturing and research done that fuchs is a better oil than shell (he used to work for shell as chemical engineer as well). He didn't bad mouth shell. He said it is a good oil but in his view Fuchs was slightly better.

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    Had a blast at Double Mouth over the weekend.

    On the way back it almost came to an abrupt end.









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    Quote Originally Posted by MariusFourie View Post
    505.01 is getting increasingly difficult to find.

    Don't cancel the Fuchs oil. It is a better viscosity and used to be the oil supplier to VW (they still supply some oils).

    I have to get some from them for my next service which is due in 8k km.

    I spoke to the oil engineer at Fuchs when I was in JHB a few months ago and he reckons based on the manufacturing and research done that fuchs is a better oil than shell (he used to work for shell as chemical engineer as well). He didn't bad mouth shell. He said it is a good oil but in his view Fuchs was slightly better.
    Marius, is Fuchs not the old WM PENN oil

    Chris.

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    Default 2006 vw touareg with v8 lexus engine

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    I saw this add on Gomboom:
    http://www.gumtree.co.za/cp-cars-in-...gine-518346507


    This shows that any conversion is possible indeed.

    If you find yourself in a pickle with engine problems and you cannot afford/find a Touareg replacement engine, this is a very good and affordable alternative to look at.

    Looks like this conversion was done by Reaper Performance.

    I wonder how they managed to install the Lexus gear box while still using original TReg gear selector.

    TDi badge is still on.....












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    2005 VW Touareg R5 TDi (Daddy's cool ride)
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    That's impressive!!

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    I strongly suspect the extra fabrication involved on that project made the cost more than my replacement.

    My purchase with engine story ended up being slightly less than that selling price.

    Besides, for R190k there are some nice V^ TDi tregs out there - even some V10 TDi tregs every now and again below R200k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevonEllett View Post
    That's impressive!!
    Definitely.

    I wonder if they mated the engine to the original gearbox....

    After all, I believe the treg and the lexus box are both Aisin boxes. So maybe just a custom torque converter?

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