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    The furthest from the front is always the hottest. That is why, if you look at a head gasket, the water ports are biggest at the rear of the engine than at the front.

    So #5 is furthest. It will take most strain. Be it bearings or sleeves.

    Sorry. Made a mistake on that head gasket post.
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    Here is a little explanation in German:

    Das ist eigentlich ganz simpel, der R5 ohne DPF hat Kurbelwellenlager verbaut, welche die Bleiadditive des Longlife2 als Schmierung nutzen. Die Kennzeichnung des Motors ist dann BAC & Kurbelwellenlager Index B. Wenn nun das Longlife3 verfüllt wird, wo diese Bleiadditive fehlen, entzieht man den Kurbelwellenlagern die Schmierung. Als Resultat laufen die irgendwann heiß und schlagen irgendwann aus. Dieser erhöhte Spielraum führt dazu, daß die Kolben im Hubraum an der Plasmabeschichtung kratzen. Sobald diese Beschichtung fehlt, gibt das Material nach und Du kannst nen Blumentopf in den Motorraum stecken.

    Das ist leider ein ganz großes Problem mit dem R5 Motörchen ohne Werks-DPF, es ist ein dreckiges Ding. Alle Nachrüstlösungen sind somit mit äußerster Vorsicht zu genießen!!!!

    Welches Öl Du nun einfüllen mußt ist im Grunde simpel, Longlife2 um den Motor zu retten und Longlife3 um die Filter zu schonen.

    R5 ohne DPF: Motorkennzeichen BAC Kurbelwellenlager Index B
    R5 mit DPF: Motorkennzeichen BPD & BPE Kurbelwellenlager Index C

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    The R5 without DPF has crankshaft bearings which rely on lead additives present in the Longlife 2 oil (506.01). This is for BAC engines. If other oils are used, the bearings are not lubricated sufficiently, which leads to overheating and eventual failure. This results in the piston running uneven, which destroys the plasma coating on the cylinder wall with the consequence that the cylinder block becomes useful as a flowerpot only.

    R5 without DPF = Engines labeled BAC, have crank shaft bearings 'Index B'
    R5 with DPF: Engines labeled BPD & BPE, have crank shaft bearings 'Index C'

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    In conclusion, there is an issue with the bearings and oils other than 506.01 on the BAC engines. When DPF's became essential, VW changed the bearings to tolerate 507 oil, otherwise fitting DPF's would be impossible due to the ash 'content' of the 506.01.

    Failure of no 5 is then most likely due to more heat.

    Everyone with an R5 without DPF in South Africa (which should be every R5), use ONLY 506.01 oil, nothing else.
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    Thanks for that, i'm going to be doing an oil change next week just to make sure.
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    Thanks Kortgat,that clarifies it,also worries me, the dealer that I purchased from said that an oil service was done by the local VW dealer before I collected,when I queried what oil was used,the eventual reply was shell helix 10w40....needless to say I have booked for another oil service next week for 506.01. Have done 1500km only so should be OK

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    Just spoke to my mech, he used Castrol Edge 10w40 on ours.
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    Just found this thread now. What a buzz killer, good luck on getting it running again

    Quote Originally Posted by Henris View Post
    This is a bit OT, but yes they make it difficult to service the car.

    My son is at Toyota and they had to do valve springs on some of the Lexus, under warranty. You need to drop the whole front subframe. Front suspension, engine, gearbox, the lot.
    Coming back to the problem of access:

    Makes you wonder about the idea of the design on a Discovery3 upwards. Everybody is up in arms about the top coming off for cam belt service (160k km) because it sounds silly. But in actual fact it is hardly 30 min work, and then you have easy access to everything. Maybe there is method in that madness
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    I feel for you Maruis....difficult decision!!!
    This sounds very much like the story of the D3 TDV6Wrong oil,engine gone
    These modern TD can last a long time if treated with correct oil and diesel,but there is no margin for errorIf in doubt about the condition(health) of a car with a modern TD,have an oil analysis doneOne can't just rely on the service record anymore,as some workshops take shortcuts with oils,as they are expensive or they don't understand the implications of using the wrong oil.
    Can you get spares for the R5 motor?......no engine spares available to fix the bottom end and pistons/rings of the TDV6Short block only from agents or remac shops in UK
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    Hi, Marius. Only found this thread now while lounging in my bed after an op. Jammer om te hoor van jou probleem. Dis regtig n gatslag maar ek is seker jy sal die regte besluite maak.

    Sterkte en sommer n geseende Kersfees vir jou, jou familie en al die forumiete wat jou trials and tribulations volg en deel met jou projekte.

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    forms sent to ombudsman along with supporting docs for my case, requesting full cost for engine plus R10k for labour, oil and sundries.

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    as a side note. I noticed that the VGT arm on the turbo was a bit stiff. (probably due to the excess CCV carboning the vanes.

    Closed up the exhaust outlet with a plastic covering, poured some atf into the turbo and left overnight.

    After a bit of wiggling it's loose again and can easily be moved again with a little finger.

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    anybody know where to get parts for this engine other than the stealers in case I need to go down the rebuild route?

    Goldwagen, midas, autozone and alert engine parts don't have any.

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    Build a list and ship them from overseas.

    Have you tried Alert Engine Parts?
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    master parts in cape town has most parts but a few items I'm struggling with

    - timing tool kit
    - injector seal kit (R2200 from agents)
    - camshaft dust cover - ? from agents
    - crankshaft dust cover - R800 from agents

    Master parts availability

    1 Piston with rings - R1264
    R1244 - Big end bearing set (only need for piston 5)
    R375 - Head gasket
    R270 - Headbolts set
    R83 - lifters each

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    Please keep in mind when you clean the boost pipes and intercooler to use a non combustible cleaner. I have seen a few diesel engines get destroyed when the combustible cleaner fumes get into the combustion chamber. The engine revs up till it throws a rod.

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    contacting an ebay member in the UK for an engine for 2500 pounds.

    let's see what he says regarding shipping.

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    Hallo Marius
    Thanks for taking the step in fixing this problem and pushing through on it! Look forward in everyday's reading!
    Keep it up!

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    probeer die ouens.

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    in Klerksdorp

    So begin dit...

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    Enige nuwe nuus met jou enjin?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullbar View Post
    Enige nuwe nuus met jou enjin?
    Ek spaar op vir 'n Remtech engine. Om die ou een te fix gaan amper dieselfde kos met al die masjienering, parte etc. Plus die risiko van 'n herstelde engine wat min mense al aan gewerk het.

    R60k vir die engine. Ek het R20k so ver.

    Ek wag ook vir die ombudsman kantoor om oop te maak 15 januarie om my saak te ondersoek en miskien kry vergoeding van die verkoper.

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