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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider4x4 View Post
    So, today i drove the 2.2 Ranger, during the test drive we drove mostly plaas paaie with mud, nice, the agent said to go for it thats what demos are for, really appreciated the fact that the guy said to test what i want to test on the gravel, mud etc.

    Really enjoyed the drive, highest speed on the gravel/mud was 80km/h, did emergency stops and the truck felt good, on the tar went upto 120, no problems there, although the engine sounds at it's happiest around the 110km/h mark. All in all it was a good test drive, this was my third test drive on the ranger, and everytime the Ranger impresses me more.

    Stopped at the VW dealership, looked at the Amarok again, but Did not test drive it again just did a good walk around, felt tired and fatigued so decided to head back home via the langpad.

    So i got into my Clubcab and drove back to my house via the Karoo farms, and on my way back it struck me..i was feeling little bit tired and fatigued and i asked myself what bakkie do i want to drive right now, in this state of fatigue..and the answer was the Amarok.

    The reasoning behind the answer, i dont know, a combination of cruize control, cockpit layout, engine noise, road noise, driver position..i dont know and cant give a definite reason, all i know is that at that stage i wanted it to be an Amarok.

    The bakkie will be used for long distance driving, majority on gravel and the back roads of our beautiful South-African platteland, and when mother nature gets angry the bakkie will be used to drive into the eye of the storm, and i think the 90kw TDI 4mtion engine will serve me well.

    I am not saying the Amarok is better than the Ranger, i am just saying that today while sitting in my truck in the Klein-karoo i wanted a Amarok.

    In conclusion, i have the following questions:

    Is there absolutely any validity to the 90kw engine being under powered and over stressed for the large body of the Amarok?
    The issue of the clutches going, any validity to it or purely driver error?
    Which engine size was used by the Amarok support vehicles in the Dakar?
    Did the voetspore team use the 90kw?

    To everybody that gave me advice (the lovers and the haters) and for all the advice still to be given, thank you very much.
    Hi Raider4x4, dit is presies die rede waarom ek die Amarok gekoop het. Rygerief. My Rok het nou amper 750000km gedoen, waarvan bitter min speletjies was. Het seker so 45000km se swaar sleep agter die rug, selfs meer as 3 ton. Op pad terug van die Kaap af draai ek en vroulief sommer af by Paarl en ry oor Ceres en Sutherland, Fraserburg, Loxton op Victoria wes toe, net om nie teerpad te ry nie. En hy ry gerieflik teen 120 op grondpad. Hy het al klippe gekou, en twee beeste mince meat gemaak, met slegs R32000.00 skade wat geen struktuur skade ingesluit het nie. Ek ry off road, en hy mag maar, en met sy clutch is niks fout nie. Daar is 'n klep wat VW op sy clutch installeer teen geen koste en dit maak hemelbree verskil. Kyk, as jy die ford kies, vat hom, maar ek kan jou vertel as jy regtig 'n voertuig wil geniet, dan is daar geen opsie bo die Amarok nie. En daar is niks fout met die 90kw een nie. Dit is 'n damm awesome voertuig. As jy baie grondpad gaan ry, maak net seker jy vat die ESP opsie saam met die 90kw. jy sal nie spyt wees nie. En as jy wil he hy moet eers lekker ry, dan sit jy die MAD Cross Country suspension van Sportsvans in. Mercedes se gat, die Amarok ry lekkerder. Toevallig is daar beide 90 en 120kw Amarokke in die Dakar gebruik, en kyk aan wat se toestande is hulle daar bloot gestel. Was al deur erge plekke diep in die bos in Zimbabwe met my baas van Duitsland saam, en hy ry net Audi Q7's, en hy self se die Amarok ry selfs in daai slegte omstandighede net so gerieflik soos die Audi. Wel en ek kan tot op datum se dat die diens wat ek van VW gekry het, kan ek nie anders as uit die boonste van die boonste rakke te beskryf. Ek sal my Amarok verruil ja, maar net vir die nuwe 8spoed Auto.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider4x4 View Post
    So, today i drove the 2.2 Ranger, during the test drive we drove mostly plaas paaie with mud, nice, the agent said to go for it thats what demos are for, really appreciated the fact that the guy said to test what i want to test on the gravel, mud etc.

    Really enjoyed the drive, highest speed on the gravel/mud was 80km/h, did emergency stops and the truck felt good, on the tar went upto 120, no problems there, although the engine sounds at it's happiest around the 110km/h mark. All in all it was a good test drive, this was my third test drive on the ranger, and everytime the Ranger impresses me more.

    Stopped at the VW dealership, looked at the Amarok again, but Did not test drive it again just did a good walk around, felt tired and fatigued so decided to head back home via the langpad.

    So i got into my Clubcab and drove back to my house via the Karoo farms, and on my way back it struck me..i was feeling little bit tired and fatigued and i asked myself what bakkie do i want to drive right now, in this state of fatigue..and the answer was the Amarok.

    The reasoning behind the answer, i dont know, a combination of cruize control, cockpit layout, engine noise, road noise, driver position..i dont know and cant give a definite reason, all i know is that at that stage i wanted it to be an Amarok.

    The bakkie will be used for long distance driving, majority on gravel and the back roads of our beautiful South-African platteland, and when mother nature gets angry the bakkie will be used to drive into the eye of the storm, and i think the 90kw TDI 4mtion engine will serve me well.

    I am not saying the Amarok is better than the Ranger, i am just saying that today while sitting in my truck in the Klein-karoo i wanted a Amarok.

    In conclusion, i have the following questions:

    Is there absolutely any validity to the 90kw engine being under powered and over stressed for the large body of the Amarok?
    The issue of the clutches going, any validity to it or purely driver error?
    Which engine size was used by the Amarok support vehicles in the Dakar?
    Did the voetspore team use the 90kw?

    To everybody that gave me advice (the lovers and the haters) and for all the advice still to be given, thank you very much.

    I have nothing useful to add, other than that that post was very refreshing! I wouldn't mind either of the two, but there's got to be something in me that lusts after a vehicle!
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    My 2 cents...
    There is by far no better looking and probably more comfy bakkie than the Amarok. Road driving, smooth as can be, an absolute pleasure.
    But......
    And its a big one...
    If you are looking for logevity and possible offroad capabilities and most importantly towing capacity, I would recommend looking at something with a bit more grunt rather than an incredibly efficient clean motor if that makes sense..

    Just after they were release we were towing our Regal with my wife's bakkie at the time a 3.2 Triton which yes it not the prettiest looking bakkie on the road I will admit, and on the way to Klein Kariba saw 2 amaroks with hoods up. Ok, one was towing a Jurgens Exclusive, not light by any means, but the other was towing a little sprite...

    Dont get me wrong, as I said, they are awesome looking, fairly capable and really comfy, but I honestly think that if you want to put 150,000km on it and enjoy driving over everything getting there, maybe stick to a Hilux or Triton or the likes..

    And I hope I did not upset anyone here, I am impartial, as I drive a real 4x4, a Jeep haa haa haa...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robin.CT View Post
    My 2 cents...
    There is by far no better looking and probably more comfy bakkie than the Amarok. Road driving, smooth as can be, an absolute pleasure.
    But......
    And its a big one...
    If you are looking for logevity and possible offroad capabilities and most importantly towing capacity, I would recommend looking at something with a bit more grunt rather than an incredibly efficient clean motor if that makes sense..

    Just after they were release we were towing our Regal with my wife's bakkie at the time a 3.2 Triton which yes it not the prettiest looking bakkie on the road I will admit, and on the way to Klein Kariba saw 2 amaroks with hoods up. Ok, one was towing a Jurgens Exclusive, not light by any means, but the other was towing a little sprite...

    Dont get me wrong, as I said, they are awesome looking, fairly capable and really comfy, but I honestly think that if you want to put 150,000km on it and enjoy driving over everything getting there, maybe stick to a Hilux or Triton or the likes..

    And I hope I did not upset anyone here, I am impartial, as I drive a real 4x4, a Jeep haa haa haa...

    Cheers...
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    I have a 90kw 4 motion but it was a demo and seems to have some extras, like leather, esp etc. the cab is a very nice place to be. I don't think it is the clutch that you need to worry about. If you google you will see that most people are getting the dual mass flywheel replaced. I had mine done before the first service. Since then smooth sailing and am almost. On 45k now.

    Fuel consumption is very dependent on how you drive and at what speed. I get as low as 5.4 dawdling back from the airport and up to 9 if towing with some intent but would say the mid 7l/100km is a good working average. The 90kw has almost the same torque as a 3lt hilux, 340 vs 343 from memory so I don't think you have to be concerned there.

    I did not have the option of the ranger when but did look quite seriously at the hilux but it just felt like it was about three generations older than the amarok. The amarok is very comfortable to drive and the interior is so much bigger than the hilux. Ranger may be closer but I was parked next to one in springbok and I have to say mine seemed a lot wider.

    The size means it is difficult to park. I had a ranger before ( précis gen obviously) and the amarok is noticeably bigger in parking lots. I fitted a reverse camera which I would not be without. I must say after a few hiccups I am very happy with mine and I am hoping that the engine will last for ages. I have tossed VWs service schedule. They try to do nothing on it. I change the oil every 7.5k and I insist they replace the air filter etc every 15k.

    Also just did a trip jhb-Newcastle-dbn-Richards bay. Filled up with just shy of 1200km on the tank!

    I think you would be very happy with the amarok.

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    @ KEKPIET - "Daar is 'n klep wat VW op sy clutch installeer teen geen koste en dit maak hemelbree verskil"

    Kan jy asb uitbrei wat jy hiermee bedoel??


    @stephanplumb - "getting the dual mass flywheel replaced"

    Could you elaborate on this pls? Why would I do this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robin.CT View Post
    My 2 cents...
    There is by far no better looking and probably more comfy bakkie than the Amarok. Road driving, smooth as can be, an absolute pleasure.
    But......
    And its a big one...
    If you are looking for logevity and possible offroad capabilities and most importantly towing capacity, I would recommend looking at something with a bit more grunt rather than an incredibly efficient clean motor if that makes sense..



    Just after they were release we were towing our Regal with my wife's bakkie at the time a 3.2 Triton which yes it not the prettiest looking bakkie on the road I will admit, and on the way to Klein Kariba saw 2 amaroks with hoods up. Ok, one was towing a Jurgens Exclusive, not light by any means, but the other was towing a little sprite...

    Dont get me wrong, as I said, they are awesome looking, fairly capable and really comfy, but I honestly think that if you want to put 150,000km on it and enjoy driving over everything getting there, maybe stick to a Hilux or Triton or the likes..

    And I hope I did not upset anyone here, I am impartial, as I drive a real 4x4, a Jeep haa haa haa...

    Cheers...
    Again, somebody who do not drive one, and you are so wrong. I will rather drive over the rough stuff in my Amarok on the way there before ever considering anything else. Bring any caravan or trailer of your choice, and come and drive with me. After that you will sing another song.
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    Dis 'n manne ding! As Swambo saamgaan kos dit twee maal so veel en dis net die helfte so lekker!!!

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    Thi, vra net by jou dealer. Dit neem so twee ure om in te sit. Dit is a campaign, en kos jou niks. Haal al die vibrasie wat jy op die pedaal gevoel het uit en die cluch is nie meer so direk vanaf die vloer af nie. Dit maak 'n masiewe verskil. Clutch is ook baaie sagter en smoother. Dit help ook baie met daai laat die engine stol "probleempie" waaroor die ou knolle hulle broeke so nat piepie.
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    Dis 'n manne ding! As Swambo saamgaan kos dit twee maal so veel en dis net die helfte so lekker!!!

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    Hi Raider

    About the clutch: in the original Roks like mine you can feel the engine vibration through the clutch. On the first ones the clutch action is also a little more sudden/direct than in many other cars, but most drivers will adapt to this in 10 minutes. I hear both these 'issues' can be solved by a free mod on the older ones and the newer ones don't have the 'issues'. Neither the vibration nor the sudden action bothers me enough to have even asked about the free mod.

    About clutches burning out in sand or other of road driving...well...I have my suspicions of the cause if ever that has happened: Drivers not having a clue about off-road driving. My Bi-turbo has done 61 000 km, including 4 trips to Mozambique (serious sand driving), some off-road playing, and 4x4-ing in the mountains. It has recovered multiple other 4x4 vehicles from being stuck in sand (let's not mention brands) and no clutch issues at all.

    BTW, I had 2 Colt Clubcab 4x4's prior to the Amarok. I was very happy with both of them. The Rok however is in different class on pretty much every level. Most notably:
    1. Relaxed highway cruising
    2. Gravel handling
    3. Fuel consumption (+- 17% better than the 2.8 Colts)
    4. Reliability to date. My vehicles work very hard. (both Colts had had quite a few niggles and issues by this time/km, the Rok NONE)
    5. Sand driving

    My experience and opinion. I have not driven the Ford, but it sure looks like a good bakkie. Good luck with your choice.
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    I think those two roks on the side with their bonnets up where accessing the battery to inflate after having a jol on gravel!

    Imagine VW developed the R5 engine to common rail with the twin turbo setup and stuck it in the rok with an 8 speed auto? I think Toyota would have crapped themselves! That would be a fantastic combination!

    As far as the ranger goes, i havent driven either the ranger or the rok but from opinions given i think the ranger is better suited as a workhorse and the rok for overlanding/long distance.

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    Just spoken to my wife, she droved my Rok back to Musina from Klerksdorp and used it the the whole week driving to work and around town.
    She asked me when is the fuel prices going down as she must seker sometime fill it up again.
    The fuel gauge is still over 1/4 and the fuel light is not even burning yet.
    What make this more interisting - mama got a heavy foot as I get all the tickets in the post. LOL

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    Read this thread with interest. Sounds like the Amarok owners are mostly happy.

    I test drove an Amarok and liked the ride, front interior, front styling. I didn't like the wallowy ride on bumpy roads at speed (feels as if needs stiffer dampers), the lack of punch from the engine and the poor rear passenger leg space.
    Eventually I got a 5 cyl Ranger 4x4 Auto and I am very happy with it. Obviously there is a fuel economy penalty compared to a 2L, but I get average 9.4l/100 (down to 8.4l/100 km) which is probably not too bad for an Auto with a torquey engine.

    Well, all the established brands are good these days, so probably no need to worry about good service from an Amarok. The Toyota guys are going on about their precious cars - I've seen many of them stranded and its just another car!

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    I think there has been much written about the dual mass flywheel on other posts. I had mine replaced and since then it has been fine. I think I am generally very light on clutches. The amarok and any diesel should not need any accelerator application until the clutch is fully released. This is how I drive mine. I can't really say why mine went although it was a demo vehicle and that could mean anything!!!

    Since then it has been chugging along nicely and is almost ready for its 45K service. Regarding the low range. This was one of my main reasons for purchase and one of the first things i checked. It is often frustrating trying to get it into low range, but once it is there, it is a very low, low range. I don't get to drive on the beach much anymore here in JHb but I am quite sure that the LR is more than low enough for any beach driving.

    For the Toy crowd, I recently had to pull a fortuner out of the slipway because his first gear was too high. I still had my trailer on so just tied a rope from my trailer to his bull bar and idled up the ramp with his toy and boat and my trailer. This is not a criticism of Toyota but many cars have a crap first gear. My ford ranger would often die in a pile of clutch smoke on the ramp as it too had a useless 1st gear.

    The Low range box is the main reason I bought the VW and unfortunately many makers do not put a proper 1st gear in the 2wd bakkies which is fine is you have the option of LR but pretty pointless without it. My ford was totally crap on any sort of incline and with any sort of load. (it was a 4Ltr V6) My amarok will idle under similar circumstances with even heavier loads.

    I am not sure what the Amarok 2wd would be like under similar circumstances however it does have a much lower 1st gear than the ford so I am going to say it is probably better.

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    Had a very dissapointing interaction with a VW dealer lately, offered me a shocker of a trade in, fortunately I have contacted other dealers that seem alot more on par as far trade/retail is concerned.

    Anyway, the reason for this post..I have just been informed by another dealer that maybe i should wait abit and wait for the new 103kw 4motion thats on its way, any comments on the new trucks, am i correct in saying its not a facelift just an engine update to coincide with 130kw thats here or on its way?

    Gentleman, i eagerly await your responses, and be assured i thank all of you for contributing to my search for the right vehicle!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider4x4 View Post
    Anyway, the reason for this post..I have just been informed by another dealer that maybe i should wait abit and wait for the new 103kw 4motion thats on its way, any comments on the new trucks, am i correct in saying its not a facelift just an engine update to coincide with 130kw thats here or on its way?
    Give that dealer a Bells!

    Amazing that they actually told you that a better version of the vehicle will be here soon!

    I'd hang on if I were you. That extra 13kw will make a difference!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cobus2.5DID View Post
    Give that dealer a Bells!

    Amazing that they actually told you that a better version of the vehicle will be here soon!

    I'd hang on if I were you. That extra 13kw will make a difference!
    Its a small town dealership in the klein-karoo, they want business and also they sell bakkies to the surrounding boere, do you really want to sukkel with a klein-karoo boer..i dont think so

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider4x4 View Post
    Its a small town dealership in the klein-karoo, they want business and also they sell bakkies to the surrounding boere, do you really want to sukkel with a klein-karoo boer..i dont think so
    Will be worth waiting for it. However this is the output on the single turbo with the Race Chip Pro. Actually it can be even higher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raider4x4 View Post
    Had a very dissapointing interaction with a VW dealer lately, offered me a shocker of a trade in, fortunately I have contacted other dealers that seem alot more on par as far trade/retail is concerned.

    Anyway, the reason for this post..I have just been informed by another dealer that maybe i should wait abit and wait for the new 103kw 4motion thats on its way, any comments on the new trucks, am i correct in saying its not a facelift just an engine update to coincide with 130kw thats here or on its way?

    Gentleman, i eagerly await your responses, and be assured i thank all of you for contributing to my search for the right vehicle!
    I'll wait too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by KEKPIET View Post
    Will be worth waiting for it. However this is the output on the single turbo with the Race Chip Pro. Actually it can be even higher.
    So is this merely a electrical upgrade or is it a new engine?

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    see post #115, even though it is the 132kW.
    http://www.4x4community.co.za/forum/...=111916&page=6

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